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Ukraine's Nazi problem is real, even if Putin's 'denazification' claim isn't
NBC News ^ | March 5, 2022 | Allan Ripp

Posted on 09/25/2024 11:17:06 AM PDT by ransomnote

SNIP

 When German troops took control of Kyiv in 1941, they were welcomed by “Heil Hitler” banners. Soon after, nearly 34,000 Jews — along with Roma and other “undesirables” — were rounded up and marched to fields outside the city on the pretext of resettlement only to be massacred in what became known as the “Holocaust by bullets.”

The Babyn Yar ravine continued to fill up as a mass grave for two years. With as many as 100,000 murdered there, it became one of the largest single killing sites of the Holocaust outside of Auschwitz and other death camps. Researchers have noted the key role locals played in fulfilling Nazi kill orders at the site.

That includes an updated law passed last month criminalizing antisemitic acts. Unfortunately, the law was intended to address a pronounced uptick in public displays of bigotry, including swastika-laden vandalism of synagogues and Jewish memorials, and eerie marches in Kyiv and other cities that celebrated the Waffen SS.

In another ominous development, Ukraine has in recent years erected a glut of statues honoring Ukrainian nationalists whose legacies are tainted by their indisputable record as Nazi proxies. The Forward newspaper cataloged some of these deplorables, including Stepan Bandera, leader of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN), whose followers acted as local militia members for the SS and German army. “Ukraine has several dozen monuments and scores of street names glorifying this Nazi collaborator, enough to require two separate Wikipedia pages,” the Forward wrote.


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To: ransomnote
I don't believe Russia targets civilians.

Do you also believe in the tooth fairy?

41 posted on 09/25/2024 2:19:50 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: phil00071

Of course the dirty little secret is that the Nazis were far-left, not far-right. Nazi is short for National SOCIALIST after all.


42 posted on 09/25/2024 2:42:37 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: ransomnote
Here are some of the people Russia teamed up with to create the DPR in Ukraine's east. Pavel Gubarev is shown with his Russian National Unity comrades. Notice anything about what they are posing in front of?


43 posted on 09/25/2024 2:51:41 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: phil00071
Why are you re-posting the same fake Russian talking points again? Did the Ukrainians just sink another Russian ship?

The Russian mercenaries and proto-fascists who attacked the Ukrainian government in the Donbas didn't do it because of NATO. They did it to expand Russia.

One of the DPR leaders, Pavel Gubarev explains their goals.

44 posted on 09/25/2024 3:07:47 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: Petrosius

Your zeeper postings are devoid of reality too often.

Pointing it out is simply factual.


45 posted on 09/25/2024 3:14:03 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (🦅 MAGADONIAN ⚔️ )
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Your zeeper postings are devoid of reality too often.

Says the one who makes claims without any factual backing.

46 posted on 09/25/2024 3:17:20 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius

Thank you zeeper_petrosius!

Your opinions are noted and officially filed under Butthurt.


47 posted on 09/25/2024 3:23:36 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (🦅 MAGADONIAN ⚔️ )
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To: phil00071
Good post.

Several years ago I read an MSM article about Jean Marie Le Pen. I learned that he was a socialist, a homosexual and was “far-right.” He didn't sound at all like Newt Gingrich, also “far right.” It just did not fit.

Reading it again I learned that Le Pen wanted to limit immigration to France. Aha! That was the problem. Essentially, “far right” means “we don't like you.” It's the adult sounding way of saying “poo poo head.” Nothing more.

48 posted on 09/25/2024 3:46:15 PM PDT by ChessExpert (Scarborough: "This is the Best Biden ever.")
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To: TheBattman

“ Revmaxx is a Russian troll. ”

So’s the guy posting this.


49 posted on 09/25/2024 5:38:49 PM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: null and void; aragorn; EnigmaticAnomaly; kalee; Kale; AZ .44 MAG; Baynative; bgill; bitt; ...

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50 posted on 09/25/2024 6:38:36 PM PDT by bitt (<img src=' 'width=30%>)
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To: freeandfreezing
In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled Ukraine's Nazi problem is real, even if Putin's 'denazification' claim isn't, freeandfreezing wrote:
Here are some of the people Russia teamed up with to create the DPR in Ukraine's east. Pavel Gubarev is shown with his Russian National Unity comrades. Notice anything about what they are posing in front of?

We're not funding Pavel Guvarev or Russia. Zelensky was in New York this week asking for NATO membership, which would invoke Article 5 and put America directly at war with Russia. I don't want the United States to go to war for the Urkaine, or for us to war with Russia in general. 'The narrative' that Putin is Hitler is fake - if NATO hadn't overthrown the Ukraine and installed puppets to go after Russia, the Ukraine would not have suffered so much at this point. Why drag us into it? We're already out a minimum of 200 Billion, and then all of the investors in the US and Europe are out Billions.


51 posted on 09/25/2024 7:53:00 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: marcusmaximus

16-17 put of every Russian died in WWII because if the NAZIs. Conversely, the lost .02% of our population in the entire war.

The failure of the US by our ignorance and dismissal of history has led to our supporting the civilian power elites who are the heirs to Ukrainian Nazi heritage.

Biden, the DNC, CIA, and many in the US have instituted a surviellance police state on par with the Nazis. Ukraine’s Nazis were the natural choice to support in Ukraine by the CIA after MI6 linked this hateful group to running Ukraine. Even the Crown’s Canadian’s found some government leaders and an old Nazi to pay homeage when Zelinski visited in 2023. The facists in Ukraine have rubbed off on American intelligence and Biden Admin.

The NATO goal was to turn Ukraine antiRussian which worked and we did with Nazis.


52 posted on 09/25/2024 8:08:10 PM PDT by Jumper
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To: ransomnote
The reason the Einsatzgruppen's campaign of murder was so successful in the Ukraine is the local populace were overjoyed to help them find all the Jews they could.

The Nazis murdered more than 100,000 Jews in Kyiv in the course of the occupation, nearly 38,000 on one two-day stretch alone. No way to round up that many Jews in so little time unless they put their religion next to their name in the phone directory or their neighbor gave them up.

The Nazis turned to industrial murder after Kyiv/Babi Yar because the work was too hard on the Nazi executioners.

53 posted on 09/25/2024 8:13:57 PM PDT by Paal Gulli
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To: Timber Rattler

Actualky, this is a current headline in Poland yesterday as the Polish president bought up the Ukrainian Nazi problem.

Zelinski is stranded on a melting ice sheet, haved po’d many world leaders this week.

Zelinski is president be ause of Bandaras political support.

Thus, the Polish president is taking a thinnly vielled swipe at both Zelinski and the Govt of Ukraine.


54 posted on 09/25/2024 8:16:47 PM PDT by Jumper
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To: phil00071
The war actually began in 2014 when we helped to overthrow the pro-Russian president of Ukraine,

That's a complete lie.

Russia's Igor Strelkov: I Am Responsible for War in Eastern Ukraine

Russian national Igor Strelkov, a former commander of pro-Moscow separatists in eastern Ukraine, has claimed personal responsibility for unleashing the conflict in which 4,300 people have been killed since April.

"I was the one who pulled the trigger of this war," Strelkov said in an interview published Thursday with Russia's Zavtra newspaper, which espouses imperialist views.

"If our unit hadn't crossed the border, everything would have fizzled out — like in [the Ukrainian city of] Kharkiv, like in Odessa," Strelkov, who uses that nom-de-guerre meaning "Shooter" to replace his last name Girkin, was quoted as saying.

"There would have been several dozen killed, burned, detained. And that would have been the end of it. But the flywheel of the war, which is continuing to this day, was spun by our unit. We mixed up all the cards on the table," he said.

55 posted on 09/25/2024 8:23:42 PM PDT by Timber Rattler ("To be prepared for war is one of the most effectual means of preserving peace." --George Washington)
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To: Jumper
Actualky, this is a current headline in Poland yesterday as the Polish president bought up the Ukrainian Nazi problem.

Post it then.

56 posted on 09/25/2024 8:26:58 PM PDT by Timber Rattler ("To be prepared for war is one of the most effectual means of preserving peace." --George Washington)
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To: Timber Rattler

https://www.bignewsnetwork.com/news/274633177/ukraine-has-problems-with-its-nazi-past-polish-president


57 posted on 09/26/2024 6:58:54 AM PDT by Jumper
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To: Jumper
Hmmm...so he's talking about World War II and NOT the current conflict.

Totally irrelevant. Try again.

Ukraine has "problems" with its history, Polish President Andrzej Duda has said, highlighting Kiev's collaboration with Nazi Germany and its involvement in the Holocaust during World War II.

58 posted on 09/26/2024 7:12:09 AM PDT by Timber Rattler ("To be prepared for war is one of the most effectual means of preserving peace." --George Washington)
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To: Timber Rattler

He said it two days ago and last July. It is relevant to him.

He still sees Nazis in Ukraine.


59 posted on 09/26/2024 7:44:12 AM PDT by Jumper
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