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DNA of 'Thorin,' one of the last Neanderthals, finally sequenced, revealing inbreeding and 50,000 years of genetic isolation
Live Science ^ | September 11, 2024 | Kristina Killgrove

Posted on 09/12/2024 2:59:21 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

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Non-Africans carry around 2% Neanderthal DNA in their genomes — yet there's one chromosome where DNA from our ancient cousins is nowhere to be found.
The mystery of the disappearing Neanderthal Y chromosome | Emily Cooke | May 17, 2024 | LiveScience

Neanderthals didn't truly go extinct, but were rather absorbed into the modern human population, DNA study suggests | Charles Q. Choi | July 11, 2024 | LiveScience

1 posted on 09/12/2024 2:59:21 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1ofmanyfree; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; 31R1O; ...
Thanks for the link!
I don't buy into "50,000 years of isolation" in this claim. The "isolated for 1000s of years" for the population of North Sentinel island is known to not be true, during the colonial period it was just as mix-and-match as the rest of the colonial world.

2 posted on 09/12/2024 3:00:53 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: SunkenCiv

fascinating — thanks for links for further reading.


3 posted on 09/12/2024 3:05:22 AM PDT by avital2
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To: SunkenCiv

So they interbred themselves into extinction, perhaps? Any absorption was like a mop up of the few remaining folk.


4 posted on 09/12/2024 3:56:00 AM PDT by Adder (End fascism...defeat all Democrats.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Thank you for these links! Can’t wait to learn more!


5 posted on 09/12/2024 4:41:35 AM PDT by HypatiaTaught ( Born Free, Live Free, Die Free)
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To: SunkenCiv

Hmmm, inbreeding? So when the good Lord put us on Earth is it possible those creatures thought of as being links between chimps and man were just deformed inbred idiots?


6 posted on 09/12/2024 4:48:26 AM PDT by redfreedom (May God save us from what the Democrats do in the name of good.)
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Highly recommended ... the must-see comedy satire for our times ... Idiocracy ... free at https://archive.org/details/Idiocracy_201507


7 posted on 09/12/2024 4:59:52 AM PDT by qwertyz
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Highly recommended ... the must-see comedy satire documentary for our times ... Idiocracy

Fixed it!
8 posted on 09/12/2024 5:00:47 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: SunkenCiv
in spite of the fact that other groups lived nearby

So this group went extinct because they didn't have the bags to cover a two-bagger's face.

9 posted on 09/12/2024 5:28:07 AM PDT by fruser1
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To: redfreedom

Genetic engineering in the early part of human history. Including interspecies breeding. These experiments were prone to failure.


10 posted on 09/12/2024 5:33:00 AM PDT by BipolarBob (I survived the WKRP turkey drop contest.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Apparently the Hobbit had it wrong. Thorin was both the son and son-in-law of Thrain?


11 posted on 09/12/2024 5:41:06 AM PDT by MortMan (Charter member of AAAAA - American Association Against Alliteration Abuse)
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To: SunkenCiv

I don’t buy that the earth is over 50,000 years old.


12 posted on 09/12/2024 5:56:08 AM PDT by roving (Deplorable Erectionists Listless Vessel )
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To: SunkenCiv

Neanderthals were Muslims?


13 posted on 09/12/2024 6:38:52 AM PDT by BigFreakinToad (Remember the Biden Kitchen Fire of 2004)
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The Neanderthals were NOT a "link between chimps and man".

There is no species that is a "link between chimps and man" per se --> what is more correct is that chimps (genus PAN) are, what you may call "fourth cousins" to Homo Homo Sapiens (humans)

Modern Humans (Homo homo sapiens) and Chimps had a common ancestor millions of years ago

Within the "Homo" genus, we have homo sapiens and homo neanderthalensis - which could to some extent interbreed (most results were sterile, but not all) - which is why all NON-sub Saharan AFRICANS have some levels of Neanderthal genes.

14 posted on 09/12/2024 6:54:52 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: SunkenCiv

2 Peter 3:5-7 KJV

“For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: but the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.”

Some believe that this verse refers to the Flood of Noah, others believe that it refers back to Genesis 1:2, whereby Genesis 1:1, “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.”(whenever this happened, perhaps millions of years ago). 1:2, “And the earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep”. (this verse demonstrating what the earth looked like at some point in time(again, perhaps millions of years) after Genesis 1:1.

What could have taken place on the earth between those two periods? Lucifers Kingdom, all sorts of animals including man as an “animal” rather than man “made in the image of God” as we are created now. Why else would the Bible say “Let us create man in our image”? It doesn’t say “Let us create man, and make him in our image”. By saying what it does it suggests that “man” was already a known commodity.


15 posted on 09/12/2024 7:11:30 AM PDT by Democrat = party of treason
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To: BigFreakinToad

;^)


16 posted on 09/12/2024 7:21:14 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: Cronos

No, they weren’t sterile. The amount of known Neandertal DNA in living humans is roughly the same about they get from a great-great-great-great-grandparent.


17 posted on 09/12/2024 7:22:48 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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Modern Humans (Homo homo sapiens sapiens) and Chimps had a common ancestor millions of years ago

Regards,

18 posted on 09/12/2024 7:32:01 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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It's hard to imagine, but before early modern humans entered Europe, I've read there were fewer than 10,000 Neanderthals living in Ice Age Europe. There were likely problems with genetic diversity even before the arrival of EMH.

One thing I've seen a few paleontologists discuss is that Neanderthals lived in isolated groups with very small interconnections. In contrast as soon as EMH show up they can find trade networks in stone and shells, etc., stretching across hundreds of miles. The fundamental weakness of Neanderthals may have been an inability to form social networks larger than small clans, which might also explain the small populations ad inbreeding.

19 posted on 09/12/2024 7:38:19 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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To: SunkenCiv
No, they weren’t sterile. The amount of known Neandertal DNA in living humans is roughly the same about they get from a great-great-great-great-grandparent.

There's a paleobiologist who is arguing that for modern Europeans to have as much Neanderthal DNA as they currently have the population must have started out as something like 50% Neanderthal.

That would make us the descendants of Neanderthals, meaning they never went extinct but just got bred into a larger population where many of their traits were selected against over time.

20 posted on 09/12/2024 7:41:34 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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