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INDIANAPOLIS — a 29-year-old man was kiIIed following a road rage incident captured on a witness’s cell phone.
X ^ | 7/18/24 | Tarabull

Posted on 07/21/2024 6:36:22 AM PDT by DallasBiff

INDIANAPOLIS — a 29-year-old man was kiIIed following a road rage incident captured on a witness’s cell phone.

The incident was deemed self-defense and the shooter was released without being arrəsted.

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To: DallasBiff

The guy who filmed the shooting was himself shot dead the next day. He was an advocate for non-violence.


41 posted on 07/21/2024 11:57:21 AM PDT by IamConservative (I was nervous like the third chimp in line for the Ark after the rain started.)
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To: KevinB

“... make that very a difficult argument.”

Agreed. But not establishing if the gun was pointed in his left hand at the truck indicates a lack of force. And like I mentioned in another post, anger is not grounds to irrigate the stand your ground scenario. It requires imminent threat to self or property (in many states on the property) All you can see on the film is a pissed off guy that has confronted a person. The weapon is not part of the equation until it is brandished. Brandishing is defined as to wave or swing (something, such as a weapon) in a threatening or excited manner. Without seeing the position of the gun behind his body, he didn’t fill that block.

wy69


42 posted on 07/21/2024 12:02:16 PM PDT by whitney69
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To: DallasBiff

Believe it or not, the guy video-taping was killed the next day at a gas station. He was actuality an anti-violence, anti-gun radical.


43 posted on 07/21/2024 12:02:47 PM PDT by moovova ("The NEXT ELECTION is the most important election of our lifetimes!“ LOL...)
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To: dragnet2

“...in a threatening manner no less...”

We never saw the peson outside the car ever point the weapon at the shooter in a theatening manner. If he has a permit and did not brandish the weapon, which we can’t see he did, then he can carry the weapon anywhere he wants to go unless the law over rules him like maybe school property as an example.

I saw no threat from the film. There would have to be more aggressive actiuon with the gun to get the threat existance to go. Civil trial, not criminal.

wy69


44 posted on 07/21/2024 12:08:58 PM PDT by whitney69
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To: dragnet2

“...in a threatening manner no less...”

We never saw the peson outside the car ever point the weapon at the shooter in a theatening manner. If he has a permit and did not brandish the weapon, which we can’t see he did, then he can carry the weapon anywhere he wants to go unless the law over rules him like maybe school property as an example.

I saw no threat from the film. There would have to be more aggressive actiuon with the gun to get the threat existance to go. Civil trial, not criminal.

wy69


45 posted on 07/21/2024 12:08:58 PM PDT by whitney69
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To: IamConservative; DallasBiff

https://x.com/Ark_BBH/status/1814568316914065616?t=WRS7I1YmDY_E1r_RWJQbng&s=19


46 posted on 07/21/2024 12:18:15 PM PDT by moovova ("The NEXT ELECTION is the most important election of our lifetimes!“ LOL...)
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To: KevinB

[Unless you scroll down and see the picture of the thug afterwards. :-)]

That had to be one of the last shots. He was speaking up until then.

I wonder if the guard suffered any legal consequences.


47 posted on 07/21/2024 12:21:05 PM PDT by PLMerite ("They say that we were Cold Warriors. Yes, and a bloody good show, too." - Robert Conquest )
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To: All

One fewer road bully that the Indianapolis drivers have to deal with.


48 posted on 07/21/2024 12:26:29 PM PDT by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: whitney69
We never saw the peson outside the car ever point the weapon at the shooter in a theatening manner.

You seriously don't get it.

A road rage incident where dark sedan pulls in front of a white pickup, stops and the driver exits the sedan with gun in hand, approaches white pickup in threatening manner. Whammo, boom boom....A perfectly legitimate shoot!

49 posted on 07/21/2024 1:06:08 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: DallasBiff

When such videos are presented, the discussion always focuses on the justification or morality of the shooting incident. This is fine, but we should also discuss the fight itself. Here’s what I told my wife and my people if they will listen. Please correct me with my thanks.

1. Road rage can be deadly. Don’t be involved on either side.
2. Assume that the other person has a gun!
3. Use your car. Most states are making laws now regarding driving over or through someone who is in your way to assault you. Perhaps the shooting is justified but he will be sued, and it will be expensive. The question I have about this video, which someone on the civil trial jury will ask is, “Should he not have driven out of there rather than stay to shoot?” Never mind what ought to have happened, he is going to pay maybe $20,000 dollars to a lawyer during the course of the civil suit, and if he loses, the lord only knows how much.
4. Only the lawyers win, so do not play the game. Drive to the police station or the fire station instead.
5. Get video. This man was not arrested because somebody took this video. Otherwise, he would be in jail!
6. First one to 911 wins. While moving on the road call 911 and ask what to do. Report “aggressive driving”. Drive to meet a cop who will then be aware who you are and what you look like and what the Road Rage person looks like.

It should not be this way, but we voted for the people, the lawyers who did this to our system of law. Passing “Stand Your Ground” may be a step in the right direction. Each community should identify “aggressive driving zones” and focus enforcement there. Like setting up a trap by the bar at closing time. It is not rocket science.

Freegards!
BrianD


50 posted on 07/21/2024 1:08:20 PM PDT by BDParrish (God called, He said He'd take you back!)
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To: whitney69
Don't matter where the suspect was pointing the gun. The suspect exited his vehicle with a gun in his hand, and walked up in a threatening manner to the occupants in the other vehicle.

That's all it took for a legitimate shoot. Game over, end of story.

51 posted on 07/21/2024 1:09:12 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: DallasBiff
..and the shooter was released without being arrəsted.

Yeah, but he still took the ride. This is why you need carry insurance. Sad but true.

52 posted on 07/21/2024 1:44:24 PM PDT by eastexsteve
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To: DallasBiff
I think a jury would debate for about 15 minutes and giving an innocent verdict.

And, after costing the innocent shooter thousands in legal fees.

53 posted on 07/21/2024 1:48:56 PM PDT by eastexsteve
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To: whitney69
We can’t see the angle of the gun in his left hand as it is behind his body. But if the gun was not aimed at the shooter, the guy outside the car is allowed to carry a gun if he has a permit and has no liability to dispose of it. Anger does not fill the descriuption of threat by itself. And this is why I think it may get interesting.

I agree. Depending upon the skill of the DA and the ignorance of the jury, this guy could go to prison.

54 posted on 07/21/2024 1:52:30 PM PDT by eastexsteve
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To: dragnet2

“...approaches white pickup in threatening manner...”

You were right up to this point. You’re assuming he was thinking of using the gun, which he did not nor the evidence says now made any offer to shoot his gun. He had it, he tapped the truck with it, he changed hands with it, and he lowered it. The weapon was neer discharged nor wa an effort to do so observed. If he had carried a baseball bat or a rock with him, is that a threat? Legally, just as much. Don’t assume by guessing what might have happened. You can only work with what you did observe. So unless you, without seeing or hearing it, get the gun pointed at the driver or the vehicle and/or hear him say he is going to use it, you have only assumption and that’s not fact. And remember, this is not a criminal trial which requiires beyond a shadow of a doubt but requires a preponderence of the evidence with a civil suit. It is not cut and dry. Remember OJ, same type of undertaking.

wy69


55 posted on 07/21/2024 2:53:19 PM PDT by whitney69
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These upper-caste Brahmin jacklegs believe they are the most. privileged. boons. on the planet.

"The victim was rushed to the hospital, where he eventually died. “I held him as he bled out and I was waiting for the ambulance,"Dasaur’s victim told The Indianapolis Star. “We were so in love and had many plans for the future like starting a family and enjoying our honeymoon, and travelling all over the world,” ZaMora added."

Made his newly-married Mexican widow rich.

56 posted on 07/21/2024 3:03:55 PM PDT by StAnDeliver (TrumpII)
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To: eastexsteve

“Depending upon the skill of the DA and the ignorance of the jury, this guy could go to prison.”

He was released without bail and no court date has been established. And you’re right if the DA wishes to push the issue. Doesn’t look like it.

But what I’m talking about is a civil suit that could cost the shooter millions for wrongful death. Suing is the national sport for many in the US so I wouldn’t put it past them. And OJ really put this into the news and it can be profitable.

wy69


57 posted on 07/21/2024 3:28:42 PM PDT by whitney69
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To: whitney69
You’re assuming he was thinking of using the gun...You’re assuming he was thinking of using the gun

LOL...If some maniac don't like the way I'm driving, and jumps out of their vehicle at a stop, with a gun in hand and approaches me sitting in my vehicle, I'll dump an entire mag on them if at all possible.

Hey whitney, if some lumberhead is road raging at you and then approaches your vehicle in a threating manner with gun in hand (If they have gun in hand coming at you, that is as threatening as it gets) are you going to wait to see if they're going to put a bullet through your head before ya drop them?

?????

????

58 posted on 07/21/2024 3:32:33 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: whitney69

You really have no clue here whitney. Read and learn.

Then study up what constitutes a deadly threat.


59 posted on 07/21/2024 3:34:42 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: whitney69

You really have no idea the amount of time it takes either raise or point a gun held at the ready do you? Pray you never have to find out because it is an insane small sub-second.


60 posted on 07/21/2024 3:45:09 PM PDT by redcatcherb412
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