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Harsh Reality for Record Number of Computer Science Grads: Software Employment Has Peaked
The Average Joe ^
| 06/27/2024
| Noah Weidner
Posted on 06/28/2024 8:32:27 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
Tech companies and startups overhired, overspent, and overpromised — so what they’re doing now that the money isn’t coming as easily should be no surprise. Since 2022, the industry has laid off over 528K workers, echoing the downturns of the Dotcom Bubble and the Great Recession. Even with an improving economy and record stock valuations, jobs aren’t returning. This time, things might really be different.
Peak software: ADP reports that the US employs fewer software developers than pre-pandemic — with a 17% drop since 2018. Job opportunities in traditionally stable tech fields are also drying up as software companies’ growth slows (and companies rethink the economics of their businesses)
- In the last 18 months, job growth for software publishers, including software developers, has stalled — with a 30% year-over-year decline in full-time job postings by tech firms, according to student job site Handshake.
- California, the hub of America’s tech scene, now hosts fewer tech jobs than before the pandemic, says data journalist Joey Politano — erasing a surge that added hundreds of thousands of roles.
End of Days?
Computer and tech-oriented programs are one of the only degrees that have seen an increase in enrollment in recent years — no surprise, considering STEM degrees rank among the highest-paid college majors. However, the sluggish job market for tech employees raises concerns about graduates finding quality positions.
- From 2011-2021, computer science graduates from top research universities increased 12x, with a 40% rise in computer and information science majors over the past five years (WSJ).
- CompTIA’s Tim Herbert says that “job seekers need to reset their expectations,” including compensation and employer preferences, to find jobs in the industry.
Forward-looking: While the BLS predicts double-digit growth in computer and IT jobs over the next few years, billionaire Mark Cuban warned long ago that AI could reduce demand for tech professionals over the long run. Pace Capital’s Chris Paik took it a step further in his new essay “The End of Software” — saying that “majoring in computer science today will be like majoring in journalism in the late 90’s.” These warnings might make students rethink their degree — or reconsider college entirely.
TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet; Society
KEYWORDS: computerscience; jobs; software; unemployment
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To: sten
Yes, that’s the key, sending millions of current and past H1B workers home. Sadly, Trump says he’s going to sustain the program and increase their numbers. Maybe he will find it appropriate to change his mind of people speak up.
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posted on
06/28/2024 9:53:38 PM PDT
by
Reno89519
(I'll go out on a limb: Trump & Gabbard 2024 or Trump & Sanders 2024)
To: Reno89519
“Sadly, Trump says he’s going to sustain the program and increase their numbers.”
Didn’t he walk that back? Or was it just the part about giving every college graduate a green card automatically?
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posted on
06/28/2024 9:56:38 PM PDT
by
MayflowerMadam
(Navarro didn't kill himself.)
To: MayflowerMadam
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posted on
06/28/2024 10:49:48 PM PDT
by
Reno89519
(I'll go out on a limb: Trump & Gabbard 2024 or Trump & Sanders 2024)
To: cherry
Both my daughters lost their jobs last year. One is going to teach AP Computer science. The other is thinking of going back to college for some kind of health degree.
It sucks!
To: SeekAndFind
Not to mention that AI can, allegedly, “learn to code.”
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posted on
06/28/2024 11:23:36 PM PDT
by
E. Pluribus Unum
(The worst thing about censorship is █████ ██ ████ ████ ████ █ ███████ ████. FJB.)
To: SeekAndFind
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posted on
06/29/2024 3:49:35 AM PDT
by
Skwor
To: SeekAndFind
I’m sick and tired of all the software updates and so-called improvements.
They’ve just kloodged up what used to work well with annoying bells and whistles.
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posted on
06/29/2024 3:52:50 AM PDT
by
P.O.E.
(Pray for America.)
To: SeekAndFind
It’s just about time. 50 years ago coding was something for post graduate study. Today, grade school kids might go to coding camp.
I remember 30+ years ago telling a secretary/admin type that her job was disappearing soon owing to common office automation. The good ones learned network administration, spreadsheets, databases or whatever. Typing and shorthand have their ever-shrinking place. It was about the same time that the first teasers of codeless programming were emerging.
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posted on
06/29/2024 4:02:12 AM PDT
by
jimfree
(My 21 y/o granddaughter continues to have more quality exec experience than Joe Biden.)
To: SeekAndFind
It’s just about time. 50 years ago coding was something for post graduate study. Today, grade school kids might go to coding camp.
I remember 30+ years ago telling a secretary/admin type that her job was disappearing soon owing to common office automation. The good ones learned network administration, spreadsheets, databases or whatever. Typing and shorthand have their ever-shrinking place. It was about the same time that the first teasers of codeless programming were emerging.
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posted on
06/29/2024 4:02:52 AM PDT
by
jimfree
(My 21 y/o granddaughter continues to have more quality exec experience than Joe Biden.)
To: Skwor
“Learn to code” — Joe Biden’s advice to coal miners who would lose their jobs under his proposals, as he ran for President December 30, 2019.
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posted on
06/29/2024 4:12:08 AM PDT
by
motor_racer
("Show me the man and I'll show you the crime" - Lavrentiy Beria, J. Stalin Deputy Premier)
To: SeekAndFind
I was going to hire a computer programmer and tech him about business but I decided to hire a high school grad who knows how to use chatgpt instead.
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posted on
06/29/2024 4:55:50 AM PDT
by
impimp
( )
To: SeekAndFind
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posted on
06/29/2024 4:57:30 AM PDT
by
Sirius Lee
(IThey intend to kill us. Plan to avoid this.)
To: SeekAndFind
There are 10 kinds of people in the world; those that understand binary and those that don’t.
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posted on
06/29/2024 5:15:55 AM PDT
by
IAGeezer912
(One out of every 20 people on the face of the earth are Americans. We have won life's lottery.)
To: sten
“Since we have 500,000+ IT workers in the US looking for work...when will the H-1bs be going home?”
Hopefully soon. I refuse to run software projects where we utilize H1B developers. Time and time again it is because of H1B developers which lead to project overruns.
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posted on
06/29/2024 5:42:40 AM PDT
by
EQAndyBuzz
(Trump/Burgum 2024.)
To: SeekAndFind
To: Harpotoo
“I started out on IBM 360/30 in the basement of the Empire State building and it was good while it lasted kids. Now AI can build the code on it’s own.”
Back in the 80’s, I went to NYU where I learned to code COBOL, BAL360 and JCL. Now I am just waiting for the opportunity to put myself into a cryogenic state so I can be defrosted for Y3K.
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posted on
06/29/2024 5:45:53 AM PDT
by
EQAndyBuzz
(Trump/Burgum 2024.)
To: Craftmore
RE: learn to code
That’s the problem, MOST coding can be done by artificial intelligence. You gotta go BEYOND coding.
To: SeekAndFind
Easy fix: END the H1B program, end admission of foreign tech students to our universities, and end “off-shoring “ of US software jobs to overseas outfits.
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posted on
06/29/2024 7:30:06 AM PDT
by
SauronOfMordor
(Either you will rule. Or you will be ruled. There is no other choice.)
To: NetAddicted
AI can write programs, ergo bye-bye coding jobs. AI cannot write programs.
It can plagiarize non-functional snippets obtained from The Code Project or Stack Overflow. If you need to look up some obscure programming language feature, the AI processor can find it for you very quickly, and fairly accurately. You really need to know what you are doing to use that stuff.
All large organizations accumulate people who don't do anything useful and whose jobs are no longer necessary.
"AI" makes a perfect excuse for the forthcoming layoffs as it gets the executives off the hook for the blame, and less likely to meet a grievance committee in the parking lot after work.
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posted on
06/29/2024 7:48:08 AM PDT
by
flamberge
(It seemed like a good idea at the time)
To: FrankRizzo890
Someone has forgotten to tell the 10 recruiters that contact me every weekday with offers of software development jobs. Maybe ten recruiters, but all for the same two jobs - which have been posted for the last three months.
There are more recruiters than jobs available.
Sort of like real estate agents and number of houses for sale.
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posted on
06/29/2024 7:52:34 AM PDT
by
flamberge
(It seemed like a good idea at the time)
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