Posted on 06/19/2024 7:01:22 AM PDT by ksm1
I've been on FR since the Bush years, first as a lurker and then more active during Obama and the initial Tea Party movement. Throughout that time, there always has been active and for the most part respectful debate on FR, that sometimes got a bit heated but we all basically wanted the same thing for the country, even if it meant different ways to get there.
With the Trump years, I was skeptical of Trump at first in 2016 since he was an unknown, but then he won me over when he was actually President. You can find my posts from his years in office where I defended him. That said - there was enough left on the table, like a number of bad hires who kept undermining him, that I wanted to see a competitive primary and a candid discussion on both his record and what would be different this time around if he gets the nod.
Well that's when things got weird. We never had that discussion. It just became a yelling match, and if I wanted to do that, I'd just go join those Palestine weirdos on college campuses. No thanks.
Guys, Bob Good had an excellent 100% conservative voting record. Trump primaried him for his one and only crime which was endorsing DeSantis, even though after the primary, Bob Good came to visit Trump during his trial in NYC.
This isn't giving me any confidence that Trump has learned from his mistakes of bad hires and bad endorsements. We should have completely dominated the 2022 midterms but a number of bad endorsements sabotaged us. Dr. Oz? Seriously? Yes Arizona had some shady things with their election, but there were a bunch of other cases where Trump endorsed a weak candidate - OR, he's been backing people who DO win and then vote RINO when it counts. We can't keep saying "we want better people in Congress" and then let things like this slide.
Why I care: the grassroots activist right has always played an important role. I saw during the Bush years on FR that we'd organize campaigns to write letters to Congress to push for our values. Same during the Obama years, which is how we prevented Obama from doing a lot of gun grabbing and so forth. There was minimal of that during the Trump years. It was just "trust the plan". This isn't helpful. Politics was meant to be an active process that citizens participate in. During the Trump years, it seemed to turn into just a spectator sport. That's not how this is supposed to work.
Is this really what we want, no real political power because we actively are pushing RINOs into office to replace conservatives, but at least we "own the libs" with snarky internet remarks? Is this really the best we can do? And look, I know the left is unfairly attacking Trump, but Trump or ANY Republican needs to get pressured from the right as well, so he actually does what we want. I know the left is going to attack Trump, or anyone to the right of Rachel Maddow for that matter, but it's really getting frustrated that any pressure for accountability *from the right* is dismissed or actively trolled.
Bob Good shouldn't have even been in a competitive race. He was as solid as they get. This is getting ridiculous.
Yeah, Good seems pretty solid. And his opponent is a military guy. These days as crazy as it is, if someone in Congress comes from a military, FBI or CIA background, they start veering in the swamp direction.
Trump should have stayed out of this one.
Apparently not, ace.
Exhibit A: he hasn't beaten McGuire.
Funny how many FReepers criticize Good for once being a Never Trumper and how right Trump was to throw him under the bust.
And yet when Trump shortly picks a veep candidate who was also once a Never Trumper.... Why that’ll be fine. That’ll show wisdom and intelligence on Trump’s part.
blah blah blah
You equate political combat with “hurt feelings?”
Good abandoned decent common sense when he endorsed DeSantis. In the rough and tumble of politics, he bet on the wrong horse. It boils down to a matter of trust. Trump cannot trust Good.
“At what point is this still America First or is it just Trump First?”
Can you cite me an instance where a politician endorsed a candidate that endorsed the candidate’s opponent?
No you can’t. You are a liar and a die hard DeSantis-bot.
Get lost with this BS okay?
I’ve never heard of Bob Good and Trump can’t satisfy every little complainer like you over every little race in the country.
Who do you think you’re kidding? You don’t have faith in Trump because of your local candidate blah blah blah.
Bob Good can go straight to hell if he in any way diminishes Trump’s ability to save this country.
Now get over yourself.
Over Bob Good? It’s damn sure Trump first.
Good opposed Ukraine money. McGuire is endorsed by the ones who want to be all in for Ukraine. Never trust modern military alums, CIA, or FBI. They all fall into line for the war agenda.
https://nationalfile.com/war-lobby-mobilizes-to-push-john-mcguire-for-congress/
I live in Bob Good’s district and met McGuire outside a Lynchburg Hillcats game Saturday night. I voted for McGuire.
One simple reason, Bob Good endorsed Ron DeSantis. This speaks to two things; really poor reading of political tea leaves when no one was going to beat Trump in the primaries this year, the fact that he could be another Republican that wouldn’t support a President in time of political need.
I really hated the choice, I truly did. Just like I hated my old Virginia district voting for Spanberger over Dave Brat. Virginia Congressional voting is strange indeed.
https://nationalfile.com/war-lobby-mobilizes-to-push-john-mcguire-for-congress/
He’s also heavily supported by the Uke nuts in Congress.
“I wish Desantes didn’t cave on Ukraine in the first week.”
Really. Very bad form. It was in the first week and, IIRC, he did the ol’ switcheroo within 24 hours. Apparently, his handlers/ money men had a different path in mind.
Its just this simple. What is all the fuss about?
Unfortunately, Ron fell for the very first backstab ploy, to trust the handlers.
Hmmm, I always looked at it opposite. Anybody can be a Republican without being Conservative. But a Conservative is still a Conservative.
But Hell, words and names are just words and names subject to anybody's definition these days. I'm sure if the left and their fawning press set their minds to it, in a year or two, conservative would mean progressive. I'll stick to their actions and record. Actions are what counts.
“less than total loyalty will not and cannot be tolerated.”
Which makes me wonder if it’s true that Vance is really on his VP short list. The vicious things he said about Trump ... Sure, he making nice nice now, but a person’s core principles aren’t variable. I worry that he be another Pence — embedded by Deep State.
Ditto for Tim Scott, who strongly endorsed Murkowski who hates Trump.
McGuire is a loser.
I offer Rep. Thomas Massie as a perfect example of this. He has made a career out of railing against out-of-control federal spending, and has repeatedly demonstrated his standing as a “principled conservative” by voting against House bills that eventually pass with 400+ votes. But when he was in a position in 2023 to cast a decisive House committee vote on the Biden-McCarthy debt ceiling deal, he showed all the determination of a wet noodle and just caved.
“DeSantis did no such thing. He did not ‘cave’.”
You’re right. If someone caves, he simply gives in. RD did an abrupt and blatant flip-flop over to the dark side. It took him less than 24 hours.
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