Posted on 05/25/2024 12:26:31 AM PDT by RandFan
You really are at the bottom of the scumbag pile. You must be so proud!
Oh look all you have left are insults. Thus proving even you know the facts and logic don’t back you. So now that we both recognize that you’re wrong you can make good on your promise and stop wasting my time.
Bye now. Have a good day sometime. And really, click the links I provided. Learn. This issue is so much bigger than Floyd. And when you understand that you can actually be on the right side of it.
You’re talking about yourself again. I extended an olive branch so this could end on a positive note but since you have your head so far up your ass, that just isn’t gonna happen.
If so, then Ashley Babbit is responsible for her own death.
Have a great day.
Not the same thing and you know it. Now you’re just being ridiculous.
I would read that line again carefully. It says "complicating law enforcement... restraint." It doesn't say that law enforcement caused Floyd's death.
The quote you cite: "...the law enforcement, subdual restraint, and the neck compression was just more than Mr. Floyd could take by virtue of those heart conditions..." describes, in my opinion, a dead man walking. It was more than just "heart conditions," it was also marijuana, methamphetamines, morphine and fentanyl.
The report documents:
A simple wikipedia search of Fentanyl yields this:
Fentanyl poses an exceptionally high overdose risk in humans, since the amount required to cause toxicity is unpredictable. In its pharmaceutical form most overdose deaths attributed solely to fentanyl occur at serum concentrations at a mean of 0.025 μg/mL, with a range 0.005–0.027 μg/mL. In contexts of poly-substance use, blood fentanyl concentrations of approximately 7 ng/mL or greater have been associated with fatalities. Over 85% of overdoses involved at least one other drug, and there was no clear correlation showing at which level the mixtures were fatal. The dosages of fatal mixtures varied by over three magnitudes in some cases. This extremely unpredictable volatility with other drugs makes it especially difficult to avoid fatalities.Regarding adverse affects of Fentanyl:
Respiratory depressionFacts:The most dangerous adverse effect of fentanyl is respiratory depression, that is, decreased sensitivity to carbon dioxide leading to reduced rate of breathing, which can cause anoxic brain injury or death.
Other factors that increase the risk of respiratory depression are:
- High fentanyl doses
To me, this is a classic case of the law school hypothetical that if Floyd jumped off the roof of a building and was shot through a window on his way down, did the shooter commit murder or did Floyd kill himself by jumping but the inevitable death just hadn't occurred yet?
I'm not a doctor, but I don't think Floyd was on track for a Keith Moon type landing with 57% more Fentanyl in his blood than the lethal dose plus meth, pot, and morphine. Chauvin just got in the way while Floyd was dying from his own overdose.
-PJ
Fall of Minneapolis?
Not available for streaming.
Searched Duck Duck Go. First, an IMDB reference. 2nd?
A whole website dedicated to a crowd-funded documentary on George Floyd, his life, his death and the riots.
The movie I was looking for.
Video - Video - Video. Right there but hidden.
Unless you work hard you'll only see what they want you to see. Crap.
I tried to notify JustWatch that it was a free stream.
Despite being on a report page I could not enter any character. Weird. 25 yr PC independent consultant and I can't get a link in a comment in any text input? More than weird, its out and out censorship in the formerly good ol' USA.
Sigh.
Fall of Minneapolis?
Not available for streaming.
Searched Duck Duck Go. First, an IMDB reference. 2nd?
A whole website dedicated to a crowd-funded documentary on George Floyd, his life, his death and the riots.
The movie I was looking for.
Video - Video - Video. Right there but hidden.
Unless you work hard you'll only see what they want you to see. Crap.
I tried to notify JustWatch that it was a free stream.
Despite being on a report page I could not enter any character. Weird. 25 yr PC independent consultant and I can't get a link in a comment in any text input? More than weird, its out and out censorship in the formerly good ol' USA.
Sigh.
Oops! Night. ;-)
Thanks for a cogent reply.
As I wrote elsewhere, Moonie and Nikki Sixx took a ton of drugs and booze. Their escapades would have killed mere mortals. And yet Nikki is still alive and before Moonie succumbed to Hemineverin/an anti-alcoholism drug (ironically) he set the record for living after overindulgence.
Many people are saying Floyd OD’d. They base that on the level of drugs in Floyd’s body. What they aren’t considering is Floyd’s ability to be Nikki Sixx. Parenthetically, just copying and pasting cherry-picked elements of the autopsy - claiming “If not for 𝕏, you’d probably never see this” when the whole autopsy is available online - makes us look stoopid.
Do I know for certain that Floyd had Keith Moon-like capacity to live thru a bender? No. But it is plausible. In fact looking at this guys life of arrests, non-achievement, and being a general loser, etc., I’d say being high WAS his profession.
Maybe he would have tapped out in custody from a drug overdose. We will never know because an incompetent cop could not deploy a move to restrain his suspect without him dying in custody of a heart attack.
I’ll say it again: this saga is a gift for the jar-shakers. They couldn’t have asked for a better crisis of which to take advantage.
The left digs in and canonizes their loser, and the right digs in and champions their loser. The result is leftist riots, destruction of property and a thinning of police ranks. In addition we get DAs that let crime run amok. On our side, we have people STILL saying “Free Chauvin” and looking equally dopey.
I think the left looks worse in the end. However, the ants were still fighting, which is what They want.
As I posted elsewhere, there is hope that the pendulum is swinging back with DAs getting voted out, liberals complaining about crime, and conservatives looking at J6 and talking like civil rightists from the 60s.
BWAHAHAHAH You didn’t an olive branch, all you did was ramp up the level of your insults. And stop even trying to present facts. Just like that post there.
You are wrong
You know you are wrong
You’re too chicken to admit it
And you’re sad little ego is hoping for the last word so you can get some form of victory
But you can’t
Because even if I allow you the last word you’ll still be WRONG
The problem is George Floyd is dead.
It is indisputable that he had enough drugs in his system to kill him.
It is indisputable that a police office kneeled on him because he was resisting arrest.
Two actions, self inflicted, led to his death…drug use and resisting arrest.
The police officer was using a technique that would not have been fatal had Floyd not been in respiratory distress due to his drug use. There was no way for the police officer to have known what drugs, in what dosages, had been taken by Floyd.
Had this not been elevated to a national issue, the officer would have likely been acquitted. Subsequent interviews with jurors reveal that the larger implications of the trial influenced the verdict.
It’s indisputable that George begged for his mother and died and the cop KEPT KNEELING ON HIM.
It’s indisputable that this keeps happening over and over again. Unarmed people, complying people, blind dogs. People getting shot. People getting choked. People getting banged patty-wagons, people getting ignored. People dying in custody.
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4240087/posts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTzKPZtPrV4
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Ryan_Whitaker
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/video-shows-death-man-27-tucson-police-custody-chief-offers-n1232093
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4240083/posts
Cops are killing too damn many people in this country. Whether it’s directly or indirectly. It’s just plain too many. And every police force we have needs to fix that. And everybody who isn’t outraged by this constant drumbeat of death is wrong.
MPLS Police Officer Chauvin’s negligence was the terminal, contributing factor.
I’m not being ridiculous. I’m being consistent.
I read thru your comments/back-and-forth on this thread with the other FReeper. You and I share many thoughts and assumptions in this saga - without repeating them please check out https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/4240046/posts?page=45#45.
We disagree on this point. Let me explain.
The rights of the accused are pretty important in the overall scheme of things. The poles have shifted over the past 50 years to a certain extent. It’s the left today that is condemning the Trump supporters for simply exercising free speech, and wanting to lock them up. A half a century ago, the right was willing to look past such “nonsense” in general because law and order was a greater ideal, and those radicals were up to no good.
There are baselines that underpin events and situations. There are many baselines spanning Babbit and Floyd. They were both in violation of the law, and were uncooperative. They both had a sketchy past (Floyd’s was more sketchy, but Babbit was hardly a saint). Neither of them deserved to be killed.
“The primary cause of death in most cases where the perp is fighting/resisting detainment or arrest is the perp… No resisting, no problem.”
But if “Floyd killed himself by resisting arrest AND having a boat load of drugs in him at the time”, then Babbit is equally culpable of killing herself sans the drugs.
Or, they’re both not guilty.
This is among many dimensions where the jar-shakers have a field day and why the ants attack each other.
I don't think I cherry-picked the report; the toxicology section is key to all autopsy causes of death. The presence of fentanyl combined with several other internal factors is well-known.
Also, I think that fentanyl is a game-changer that can't really be compared to the heroine LSD, or cocaine overdoses of heavy users from the past.
When you consider the more recent deaths of people like:
The survival of fentanyl is very slim and the amounts taken are very small. Floyd had an extremely high level of fentanyl in his blood. That simply cannot be ignored.
IMHO Floyd was not someone who had an overnight bender or a person who hasd a high body constitution.
-PJ
I’ll write back after Church, but in all candor YOU didn’t cherry pick. The guy on X and a small army of others haven’t done the research you did.
Yours is an informed opinion. The rest are parrots who also think Gateway Pundit and Slay News et al are gospel instead of garbage that make “us” look like gullible dopes.
BBIAB.
I’m glad you see my point.
Have a great day.
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