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Totally INSANE "Electric Jerry Can" is PURE FANTASY | MGUY Australia 3:08 / 4:56 Totally INSANE "Electric Jerry Can" is PURE FANTASY | MGUY Australia
YT ^ | 5/11/2024 | MGUY Australia

Posted on 05/11/2024 8:41:50 AM PDT by Signalman

Quick synopsis of this 5min. video: Liquid fuel is far more efficient than batteries. It's not even close.


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To: BereanBrain

And I was politely asking what fuels these EV’s? Aren’t EV’s supposed to save the planet?


21 posted on 05/11/2024 11:41:38 AM PDT by SkyDancer (~A Bizjet Is Nothing But An Executive Mailing Tube ~)
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To: BereanBrain

Good post. The electric cars’ time just isn’t right now. The government forcing them on us is the problem.


22 posted on 05/11/2024 11:45:04 AM PDT by NavyShoe
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To: aquila48

Our electricy in the USA comes from Coal, Gas, combined (coal+gas) and nuclear.
The industry has about a 45% efficiency.
As a reminder, gasoline (ICE) is 20% efficient and that’s NOT counting the energy to drill, pump, refined, and transport it to the pump. So we are looking at probably 15% max efficiency, versus a 45% efficient source, combined with a 80% efficient motive.

But WHO CARES?

I want 0-60 in 2.9 seconds! I can get it with electric for < 100K. In ICE it costs 1M$
I argued with luddites here who said electric cars were golf carts.
Yeah, well, the golf cart just passed your Lamborghini. Except the golf cart has 4 doors and you have to pour yourself into a Lambo.


23 posted on 05/11/2024 11:47:11 AM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: MtnClimber

I’m saving lightening bugs in a jar. I can use those if I can locate a cable to connect them to my RV bike. Somebody told me to use the Apple USB Type-C to Lightning Cable, but that didn’t work. Just squashed their little butts.


24 posted on 05/11/2024 11:49:00 AM PDT by moovova ("The NEXT ELECTION is the most important election of our lifetimes!“ LOL...)
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To: aquila48

To do a fair efficiency comparison you have to include the efficiency of the coal fired electric generator to charge the batteries, the transmission losses, the charging and discharging losses, etc.

and there it is...


25 posted on 05/11/2024 11:50:03 AM PDT by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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To: BereanBrain

And the average EV is an ecological disaster. To manufacture each EV battery, you must process 25,000 pounds of brine for the lithium 30,000 pounds of ore for the cobalt 5,000 pounds of ore for the nickel, 25,000 pounds of ore for copper Digging up 500,000 pounds of the earth’s crust For just - one - battery.


26 posted on 05/11/2024 12:08:18 PM PDT by DesertRhino (2016 Star Wars, 2020 The Empire Strikes Back, 2024... RETURN OF THE JEDI. )
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To: BereanBrain
Yeah, you want control, even when it’s not safer (when it gets safer).
Reminds me of people who can’t fly on airplanes because they are not in control.
Literally they miss out on life, and don’t realize the trip to the airport by car is more risky than the airplane flight.


Apples and oranges. My car is an extension of me in the way that an airplane isn't. The new cars in 2026 and after, self-driven or not, will have built-in features to decide when you are not safe for driving. These features will not be able to be legally disabled. Ultimately, it is not just whether the algorithm or me decides where and if the car moves, but an outside agent, government or 3rd party, that decides if I am "endangering" myself or someone else.

I would hate it if the freedom a proper car allows got turned into the hassle of the airport.
27 posted on 05/11/2024 12:10:28 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana
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To: BereanBrain

And the efficiency of producing the raw materials? Not saying EVs aren’t the future (they have been the future for over 100 year). But the production and disposal of them seem to cancel out any benefits of traditional petroleum based system. My 30 year old Honda gets 30 per gallon. Will anyone ever be able to say they have a 30 year old battery powered cars. Physics is a bitch


28 posted on 05/11/2024 12:10:39 PM PDT by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes.)
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To: BereanBrain

“If you do that, the ICE is actually more efficient.”

What happens if you’re really fair about efficiency, and include the drilling, refining, transportation etc. for hydrocarbon fuels?

The killer problem, of course, is that there isn’t enough electricity available, and shutting down coal-fired (and other) plants is just making it worse. Plus, wind and solar power are nowhere near 24/7 available.


29 posted on 05/11/2024 12:11:27 PM PDT by powerset
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To: BereanBrain
I want 0-60 in 2.9 seconds! I can get it with electric for < 100K. In ICE it costs 1M$

A Corvette C8 beats that time. Official base price is $68K, real life price is probably closer to 100K.

I appreciate you sticking around to respond without rancor. I see electric cars as being for people in the right situation being a suitable 2nd or 3rd car for those with a garage for charging, and certainly for businesses that can recharge at night, provided that energy storage improves a lot more or on the fly electrical generation improves (the Chevy Volt/Toyota Mirai approach).

The Boring Company tunnel system is an interesting idea that relies on electric cars, but I don't think it will be practical in most parts of the world.

Electric cars are quieter (good thing), are inherently more complex (less likely to be able to deal with most problems by yourself or a handy pal or a 3rd party kludge of an unavailable part), torquier (good thing in the right hands), more expensive.

My philosophical objection to hybrids is that I don't want my electric motor lugging around a heavy ICE engine and transmission; I don't want my ICE engine lugging around a heavy battery.

I believe that for those who want the benefits of an EV without the present range anxiety issues, etc., the Mazda hybrid approach, using a constant speed rotary engine powering the generator is the best one available in the bear-term. A Wankel going at constant speed does away with transmission issues, and should be geared for maximum efficiency.

I do not see myself having any interest for an EV or hybrid for myself, but I do not consider myself a typical car owner.
30 posted on 05/11/2024 12:31:56 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana
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To: Organic Panic

It’s like the old joke about Brazil. They say it is the country of the future.... and always will be.


31 posted on 05/11/2024 12:47:52 PM PDT by DesertRhino (2016 Star Wars, 2020 The Empire Strikes Back, 2024... RETURN OF THE JEDI. )
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To: Dr. Sivana

Yeah, it’s the Model 3 performance that can do 0-60 in 2.9, which is the bottom model Tesla. I would say a corvette is is not the bottom chevy model.

The Tesla model S plaid is the fastest 0-60 ever tested (1.9 something) by most independent testers (like motor trend), and it’s a 4 door luxury car. I think that was back in 2023, and “production” is defined as > 100K units sold, which leaves out the “supercars”.

Tesla is coming out with a roadster that is aiming at UNDER 1.0 seconds 0-60. I expect that car though to come in at OVER 100K$. Perhaps 150K$.

BTW, my daily drive is a Roush Mustang GT. I have a CyberTruck on order (no, i turned down founder’s edition, as I don’t pay extra for badges, only performance)
ETA is probably EOY 2024. We also have a Ford F150 Super as a workhorse, it’s getting long of tooth, and will go. I just had to repair the electronics in the transmission. 100$ sensor of which the dealership and most trans shops whould have changed the transmission for (believe it or not it’s true) they wanted 5K rebuilt or 8K new.


32 posted on 05/11/2024 12:55:33 PM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: BereanBrain

The F150 will always have mountains of aftermarket parts available. My job relies heavily on the sale of EV chips, and we have “free” charging at work for the earliest risers. I think we FReepers all wish that the subsidies and CAFE restrictions were dropped altogether so as not to warp the natural development of the actual alternative energy market. I actually bought a dual fuel gasoline/CNG Ford Contour years ago to save money on my long commute. Awful car, and the CNG part didn’t even work ( nowhere to test it where I bought it),. Now CNG is considered dirty.


33 posted on 05/11/2024 1:09:23 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana
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To: BereanBrain

Jump in your Tesla,
I’ll be driving a 5.0.
We’re gonna race from
Houston to Albuquerque
in August, when temps are
a nice, toasty, 117 deg/f.
Wanna bet I get there
first?
You compare efficiencies
between ICE and EV power
sources. Once they’re
placed into their working
environments, many things
influence a power sources’
efficiency.
Running the AC, headlights,
wipers, window defroster,
extreme ambient temperatures,
all play a part on the the
efficiency of either power-
plant. In this type scenario,
the ICE vehicle remains on
top, if for nothing else,
for comfort and convenience
(time).


34 posted on 05/11/2024 1:48:04 PM PDT by Lean-Right (Eat More Moose)
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To: Lean-Right

Enjoy your ride. I have a Roush Mustang GT, as daily driver.
What gets me is when people want to DISS other people’s choices.

If you don’t like something (like an EV) don’t buy it. I don’t know why people feel the need to diss something they don’t know about and have never used or experienced.


35 posted on 05/11/2024 2:13:22 PM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: BereanBrain

I don’t diss them. They
serve their purpose
well, but only under
certain circumstances,
where ICE powered vehicles
have had a hundred years
of engineering advances
to make them more efficient
under any circumstance.
Ford’s Lightning vs a F150
pulling 10,000 pounds of
trailer at 75mph in extreme
weather conditions.
I’ll take the F150.
It’s more efficient at
performing the task.
(for now).


36 posted on 05/11/2024 2:41:54 PM PDT by Lean-Right (Eat More Moose)
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To: Lean-Right

I have a F-150 as well (5.0 gas).
Ford electric vehicles are not state of the art.
Neither are chevy’s.


37 posted on 05/11/2024 4:40:34 PM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: butlerweave

Yep.


38 posted on 05/12/2024 8:22:15 AM PDT by vpintheak (Sometimes you’re the windshield, sometimes you’re the bug. )
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To: BereanBrain

“BONUS: Self-Driving will happen. ... And they will be way safer than you can drive.”

New Attack Against Self-Driving Car AI
[2024.05.10] This is another attack that convinces the AI to ignore road signs:

https://www.schneier.com/crypto-gram/archives/2024/0515.html#cg19


39 posted on 05/15/2024 8:36:49 AM PDT by powerset
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To: powerset

If you really believe ADAS is not going to work, just short TSLA.


40 posted on 05/16/2024 10:37:30 AM PDT by BereanBrain
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