[Morgana]

What do you all think?

[Ciaphas Cain]

Excellent essay. Thank you for posting.

[where's_the_Outrage?]

We have an entire population that has been indoctrinated that abortion is a right to the birther. Plus women have become overly college educated which means they have been more indoctrinated into the liberal fold.

The feminist movement is abortion centric such that without abortion women are held back in society.

And lastly critical thinking is not allowed, the left silences opposing views forbidding true debate.

[Ikeon]

The author got one thing right. Abortion is a symptom of a much worse disease.

[Does so]

In 1961, my liberal Sociology professor said the birth control pill will change everything.

The birth control pill cheapened life.

[Alberta's Child]

I have a different set of reasons why "pro-life" loses at the polls.

1. At the national level, the movement is run by women who see this as a religious crusade instead of a political/legal process. They are also completely useless at doing anything other than giving speeches.

2. The author's point about the 14th Amendment is a waste of time, as the word "born" in that amendment makes the pro-life agenda espoused here impossible in the absence of a constitutional amendment.

3. Pro-lifers are afraid to do the dirty work that may offer the most promise for getting legalized abortion eliminated ... namely, by getting a message out that abortion is a wonderful thing -- and should be promoted/encouraged/funded -- as a method to reduce the population of Democrats in America. Promote the abortion of Democrats as an investment in the future of America, and see if the conversation changes. I'll bet it does.

[avital2]

there is never any campaign showing viable and supported alternatives to abortion, appealing to people’s conscience and addressing financial and psychological issues: 1. prevention - birth control methods, availability and routines and procurement; 2. value of human life and bringing it into the world - counseling for those who are in a crisis of conscience; 3.programs available and to be supported in the future to help mothers-to-be during pregnancy and into the early years of new baby-—Planned Parenthood appears to be the only answer because other avenues not known, developed and promoted. in the 50 yrs since Roe we should have done better.

[Varsity Flight]

I/we do not have to take the place of the Holy Spirit, the free Woman-Eve, already had the conviction on and in numerous actions long before committing killing, theft, and destruction. (John)

It’s the way Lucifer, the Prince and Power of the air works on the Free, Adam I, and Eve I Human. It begins slowly, one step by step, until finally, sifted as wheat, into the Dark Kingdom of theft, and killing.

The Only Way out is John Chapters 3 and 4. Notice heavily, that the Messiah in each of these Chapters, deliberately first speaks to the Adam ruler, then in Chapter 4, a fallen Eve.

They either Hear the Word, or step by step, step by step, step by step, fall away. Once gone, they’re in h__l already. Screaming already. The hatred of Satan they possess, is easily seen, and heard.

[Tell It Right]

IMHO when you compare the pro-life movement to prior movements like abolition, the main difference is we don't have a large spiritual movement going on like the 1st and 2nd Great Awakenings that resulted in abolition. Even before the Civil War, about 1/3rd of slaves were set free by culture change that promoted loving your fellow man (which means don't enslave him).

It's possible that we're already in a new great awakening and don't realize it yet. Great awakenings aren't like revivals that flare up quickly then almost as quickly fizzle out. So it's possible that our country will result in a national prohibition against abortion...eventually...if we focus on our larger message of getting people closer to God and treating others with love and encouraging holiness.

[dpetty121263]

Reason Pro Life is not winning is simple the average person are lost sinners, corrupt and without Christ.. This was predicted 2000 years ago as God has given America over to her folly and sinful nature and it will end very badly as you are seeing it now.

[DesertRhino]

But for the times to “keep-a-changin’,” women needed to have sex on the same terms as men: zero risk of an unwanted pregnancy to derail them from pursuing personal freedom

I was not aware that men faced zero risk. A man knows that every single time a pregnancy can result. He has no say as to whether or not she aborts or decides to keep there baby. But he is in try hook for 18 years of child support. The only method to avoid that is to flee and live the life of a fugitive. He loses driving and professional licenses, gets wages and tax returns garnished, and can lose a passport. If he objects he is told to keep his pants zipped or gets vasectomy if he doesn’t want to risk the consequences of sex.
Only women get an option of a sex life with an escape hatch on the potential consequences.

So in reality, do they really want sex on the same terms as men?

[maddog55]

I think single issue voters shouldn’t be allowed to vote.

[PIF]

Abortion: many women there is no other issue for which superseded it, not inflation, not the border, not foreign policy, nothing. The country can crumble to tiny bits as long as these women have the “right” of abortion on demand.

[stanne]

“ Abortion doesn’t exist in a vacuum. It’s part and parcel of a complex ecosystem full of clashing interests and values about sex and the body, all competing for pride of place in a changing world. Without knowing the specific role abortion plays in the system, one cannot possibly comprehend the full spectrum of the issue. Absent a gestalt view, engaging competently in what has sadly become a contest of morals, wills, and values is impossible. Regrettably, the work of creating and maintaining such a view has never surfaced as a priority in pro-life activism, an unfortunate oversight and Achilles heel of the movement.”

That’s a lot of words-

Abortion is part of birth control

Americans want birth control

Men and women

Start there.

[metmom]

And cheating. Voter and election fraud.

[hinckley buzzard]

The governing epigram here is “politics is the art of the possible.” Abortion is fundamentally a political problem despite the sincerity of those who see it as a moral issue— which includes me, btw. In a political battle between idealism and pragmatism, idealism is easy to defeat. Pro-abortionists simply focus on the pragmatic and ignore the immorality of their position.

Of course truth is also an ideal which the Left routinely ignores. A simple euphemism— “reproductive health” — overrides a volume of moral suasion. And in an ecology where faith is rapidly being drained from the public square, that’s all it takes. Pro-abortionists are evil but they are not stupid; they easily see
through pro-life efforts to finesse a total ban, eg articles like this one which telegraphs the goal in case anyone missed it, and have no problem devising rhetorical tactics to disable it.

One domain illustrates the core issue— the debate over ”hard cases.” There was a time when it worked rather well to oppose abortion while allowing for the cases of “rape, incest and life of the mother.” If we had adopted this kind of compromise post-Roe, instead of moralistically demanding a total ban, life might be different today. By opposing these exceptions on grounds of moral absolutism, we are easily painted as uncaring, fascist woman-hating extremists. The pro-abortion counter argument practically writes itself.

Some would say such a position is an unacceptable moral compromise, and simply opens life up to a slippery slope— and yes it would require constant vigilance to prevent that. But what we are facing now is the threat of being
pushed off a cliff, from which there may be no pathway back.

[bert]

There is only one reason.

Across the nation, Pro Life does not have the raw political power to make and enforce anti abortion law

[sipow]

It is a good article overall. The 14th amendment argument falls a bit short due to the wording (born) in that amendment.

The best point made is in the third argument. The absolute lack of logic of allowing abortion exceptions in the case of a crime (rape/incest) or potential birth defects is ridiculous.

The unborn child is the ultimate innocent life. How can we condemn an innocent to death because of a crime committed by a parent? Killing a baby does not erase the rape or change the trauma the mother went through.

Likewise with the predicted birth defects. If someone suggested euthanizing all mentally or physically disabled people, everyone would be up in arms about that. Abortion for the reasons is no different.

There is no logical or moral reason to allow abortion in either of these cases.

[bobbo666]

Pro-lifers come across (portrayed as such by MSM?) as absolutists, just like the Aholes who want to abort/murder the day before normal birth.

People don’t like absolutists. They come across as purists and “better than thou”.

Pro-lifers MUST come out with a compromise, or else Biden/Newsome will be installed into the WHouse and abortion-’til-birth will become the national law.

Allow it for any reason up to 90 days. After that, ONLY if the Mom’s life is in physical danger.

[RasterMaster]

"Abortion is a binary proposition. One is aborted or unaborted; a baby is never “a little” aborted. Human life begins at fertilization, or it doesn’t. Abortion is the intentional killing of an innocent human being, or it isn’t. Abortion is a crime, or it isn’t. There is no middle path, no third way; there are no exceptions. One is pro-life or pro-death. There is no such thing as pro-choice; it’s just a euphemism with some marketing gloss, albeit a powerful one."

Pretty much sums up the argument. The opposition doesn't care about 'life of the mother' or whether viable at an 'x number of weeks'....all they care about is MURDER and sacrifice to moloch....anything else is a camel's nose under the tent and when we fail to define it as MURDER, "abortion" makes it sound acceptable in 'some' circumstances when the opposite is true.

[who_would_fardels_bear]

The liberals may agree that a fetus is a "human being", but they might disagree that it is a "human person".

But even if you can get them to agree that it is a human person, there are still folks who say that the mother is also a human person and her right to take control over her body outweighs the right of the fetus to be born.

Judith Butler is a feminist philosopher who put arguments before the court during the Roe v Wade decision that claimed to show that even if you consider the fetus a human person, it is still okay in some situations for it to be aborted.

This is why the Supreme Court came up with the wishy-washy compromise they did based on trimesters.

Look up Butler's Violinist scenario to see how she tried to use "logic and reason" to argue for abortion.