Why can’t Israel borrow for their own defense? Why must our grandchildren borrow and pay for it?

Vanity ^ | 4/21/24 | hardspunned

[hardspunned]

Israel has a national debt of $310 Billion owed by its 9.6 million citizens. Individually, each Israeli citizen’s share is $32,291. The U.S. has a national debt of $34 Trillion owed by 334 million citizens. Individually, each U.S. citizen’s share is $101,796. All politics aside, why am I, you, each of our children and grandchildren borrowing money to give to Israel when each of us already carries a debt burden three times that of each Israeli citizen?

[af_vet_1981]

I think a lot of these guys here would have opposed Lend Lease.

Concur; a evil and corrupt generation; not a great fan of movies, but some really get the point across. The Great Escape was based on a true story. Those pilots were made of a different mettle. They did not risk their lives for wealth.

The wealth of a nation is not truly measured by the wealth it gathers up in its barn or squanders on self indulgent and riotous living, but by righteousness. Greed, avarice, and wickedness pervades the nation now, a nation that murders its own children by the millions. It was never about money, the blessings of which always come from God.

[Mariner]

“How much do you want to pay for oil? Because oil makes everything go up in price.”

That would explain why we are zealously trying to take Russian oil off the market.

Is keeping oil steady and reasonably priced...ensuring free flow...in the interest of the US or not?

[Brian Griffin]

BILATERAL ECONOMIC ASSISTANCE

Funds Appropriated To The President

international disaster assistance

For an additional amount for “International Disaster Assistance”, $5,655,000,000, to remain available until expended, to address humanitarian needs, including the provision of emergency food and shelter, of vulnerable populations and communities: Provided, That such amount is designated by the Congress as being for an emergency requirement pursuant to section 251(b)(2)(A)(i) of the Balanced Budget and Emergency Deficit Control Act of 1985.

Department Of State

migration and refugee assistance

For an additional amount for “Migration and Refugee Assistance”, $3,495,000,000, to remain available until expended, to address humanitarian needs of vulnerable populations and communities: Provided, That such amount is designated by the Congress as being for an emergency requirement pursuant to section 251(b)(2)(A)(i) of the Balanced Budget and Emergency Deficit Control Act of 1985.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/8034/text

Apparently, that’s ~$3.5 billion to import Gazans into the USA to shore up Muslim representative congressional districts.

[Brian Griffin]

“Is keeping oil steady and reasonably priced...ensuring free flow...in the interest of the US or not?”

The US oil industry was highly productive during the Trump administration.

[Brian Griffin]

“....Lend Lease”

In 1940, Great Britain ran out of dollars to buy US weapons as I understand things.

[af_vet_1981]

In reality, foreign assistance typically makes up less than 1% We just dropped another $100 TRILLION in foreign "assistance" (lol) - that's not 1% anything. Learn math - idiot.

The math depends on reading comprehension.

What triggers FR's Israel-firsters is asking simple questions - like why our kids get to inherit all the enemies Israel made for them. antisemitism, especially in the light of the October 7 massacre of Jewish men, women, and children.



Quit s**tposting.

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[Openurmind]

“I think a lot of these guys here would have opposed Lend Lease.”

Have we actually become that uneducated in this country and no longer know the difference?

Lending:

1 a (1): to give for temporary use on condition that the same or its equivalent be returned.

(2): to put at another’s temporary disposal.

b: to let out (money) for temporary use on condition of repayment with interest.

Lease:

1: a contract by which one conveys real estate, equipment, or facilities for a specified term and for a specified rent.

2: a piece of land or property that is leased.

3: a continuance or opportunity for continuance.

GIVE:

1: to make a present of.

2 a: to grant or bestow by formal action.

b: to accord or yield to another.

3 a: to put into the possession of another for his or her use.

b: to administer as a sacrament.

[AAABEST]

Oh look, I’m an anti-semite.

Good. Now GFY - with something as sharp as possible.

[Openurmind]

“The IMF does not disburse US Military Budget items.”

Yes it does... Better go take a look. We approve a spending bill, the IMF gives us credit for that amount, then the IMF is the direct disbursing agent out to the awardees including our own military. Someone else could siphon off half of it and we would never know because it never went through any of our systems to account for where it actually went.

Disbursing agent: IMF.

Awardees: “Privileged”.

https://www.usaspending.gov/

[af_vet_1981]

Oh look, I’m an anti-semite.

Good. Now GFY - with something as sharp as possible.

34. O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
35. A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
36. But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
37. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

[JayGalt]

How much money does the US give to Israel?
Most of the aid—approximately $3.3 billion a year—is provided as grants under the Foreign Military Financing (FMF) program, funds that Israel must use to purchase U.S. military equipment and services.Apr 11, 2024

I’d like to see the reference that substantiates - We just dropped another $100 TRILLION in foreign “assistance”.

[zeestephen]

hardspunned: "All politics aside..."

hardspunned: "Please, no politics..."

A grown up man or woman, pretending not to understand?

The USA spends more on military aid to Japan and South Korea than we do on Israel.

Adjusted for currency and cost of living differences, Israel spends more than $3,000 (US Dollars) per Jewish citizen on military defense.

That is the #1 per capita defense expenditure in the world.

The USA - #2 - spends about $2,500 per citizen.

Plus, the USA has a peace time economy and is about 50% more productive than Israel, which exists in a perpetual war time economy.

[Lurker]

Here’s how it works, Scooter.

Israel borrows the money from US banks. They use that money to buy American weapons from American companies.

Israel then pays those loans off with interest. I know I’ve explained this to you in the past. So you’re either being deliberately obtuse (look it up), you’re deliberately spreading falsehoods, or you’re just not very smart.

My money is on the latter.

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[higgmeister]

Of all our unconstitutional spending and runaway National Debt, you focus on a tiny fraction for Israel?

SMH   https://www.truthinaccounting.org/about/our_national_debt?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjw8pKxBhD_ARIsAPrG45kJbCaQmcdualg3brLU_zWDRXRtSrtFxs2swohcDCJQP1aonLwDAGQaAgXWEALw_wcB

[al baby]

its all politics

[daniel1212]

Please, no politics. How do you explain this to your children and grandchildren?

How could you explain this to your ancestors having to pay wartime debts? How do you explain to your children and grandchildren (if any) having to pay for the military needed to keep China, Iran, Russia (your friend and Iranian ally willing to nuke all alike here for interference in empire building) and Islam in check?

Or are you just another irrational ignorant isolationist who imagines the US never needed to be involved in foreign wars?

Meanwhile, explaining the billions spend due to fornication - hetero and homosexual, as your last posted author and atheist must affirm - and the welfare state are what should be exposed as unwarranted.

[Openurmind]

“Israel borrows the money from US banks. They use that money to buy American weapons from American companies.

Israel then pays those loans off with interest.”

Except that is not accurate, research and try again...

Starting with:

“Israel borrows the money from US banks.”

Wrong... That false narrative needs to be squashed because it is just not true.

[xkaydet65]

Do you want to checkout how much the UK paid back? And when you go there limit yourself to the 1941 calendar year, as anything afterwards can be considered aid to an ally. I think you will find repayment or return was not expected, bt the Roosevelt admin or by the isolation isms who opposed it.