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World’s Oldest Known Decimal Point Discovered in Italy
Greek Reporter ^ | February 25, 2024 | Abdul Moeed

Posted on 02/25/2024 2:44:01 PM PST by nickcarraway

Newly discovered notes from 15th-century Italy show that the decimal point is actually 150 years older than what historians previously believed.

Decimal points may seem basic, but they’re incredibly helpful in math. They divide whole numbers into tenths, hundredths, and thousandths, which makes calculations a lot easier compared to using fractions.

Some forms of decimals have been around since the 900s in Damascus and the 1200s in China, as reported by Live Science.

A solid system of decimals didn’t become fully established until 1593. This happened when the German mathematician Christopher Clavius included decimals in astronomical work.

However, recent studies propose that Clavius was actually following an older practice. He likely adopted the use of decimals from Giovanni Bianchini, a Venetian merchant from the 15th century.

Grecian Delight supports Greece Decimal point is a century and a half older than Clavius’ use The authors of the latest research say that Bianchini’s work, dating back to between 1441 and 1450, precedes Clavius’ use of the decimal point by a century and a half.

Glen Van Brummelen, a mathematics historian at Trinity Western University in Canada, stumbled upon Bianchini’s use of decimals while teaching a math camp for middle school students.

Van Brummelen recalls his excitement, rushing through the dormitory halls with his computer, eager to share his discovery. He shouted, “Look at this, this guy is doing decimal points in the 1440s!”

The concept of dividing whole numbers into smaller parts has ancient roots, but before the Middle Ages, most mathematicians leaned towards using fractions. Although astronomers did use decimals, their method differed from the familiar base-10 system taught in elementary school.

Instead, they utilized base-60 decimals. This involved dividing circles, such as the 360-degree circle, into sixty minutes, which could further be broken down into sixty seconds, as reported by Live Science.

In a paper published online for the journal Historia Mathematica, Van Brummelen noted that, occasionally, mathematicians did experiment with notations resembling today’s decimal system. However, these concepts often failed to gain traction and weren’t consistently adopted by subsequent mathematicians.

Decimal point first seen in Bianchini’s “Tabulae primi mobilis B” Van Brummelen highlighted that while pinpointing the exact origins of decimal notation can be challenging, the history of the decimal point is comparatively clearer. This enduring symbol first emerges in Bianchini’s “Tabulae primi mobilis B,” a work focused on computing stellar coordinates.

Bianchini, originally a merchant, later served as an administrator to Venice’s ruling d’Este family. In this role, he was tasked with calculating horoscopes and engaging in astrology.

Within his text, Bianchini used the decimal point in a manner similar to modern mathematicians, marking a significant early usage of this decimal point.


TOPICS: Computers/Internet; Education; History
KEYWORDS: abdulmoeed; astrolabe; astrolabium; christopherclavius; decimals; epigraphyandlanguage; giovannibianchini; glenvanbrummelen; godsgravesglyphs; italy; middleages; renaissance
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To: moovova

Lol... That is good... :)


21 posted on 02/25/2024 3:34:14 PM PST by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: nickcarraway

FWIW, I’ve applied to the govt. for a grant to investigate the origin of the comma.......Waiting for their response.


22 posted on 02/25/2024 3:37:03 PM PST by Hot Tabasco
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To: nickcarraway

I recall that an IBM 360 sent one of my decimal points back in time.

So there.


23 posted on 02/25/2024 3:37:12 PM PST by linMcHlp
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To: Dr. Franklin
IT would be quite curious to find decimals used with roman numerals!

I wouldn't put it past those ancient alchemists.

V.I.T.R.I.O.L.

24 posted on 02/25/2024 3:37:30 PM PST by Ezekiel (🆘️ "Come fly with US". 🔴 Ingenuity -- because the Son of David begins with MARS ♂️, aka every man)
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To: Dr. Franklin

Doesn’t work well if you have no symbol for zero.


25 posted on 02/25/2024 4:11:47 PM PST by MV=PY (The Magic Question: Who's paying for it?)
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To: nickcarraway

“This discovery has only gotten a fraction of the interest it should.”

That’s great!!


26 posted on 02/25/2024 4:12:27 PM PST by GrumpyOldGuy
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To: Ezekiel

Bob Hope found it?


27 posted on 02/25/2024 4:59:29 PM PST by Beowulf9
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To: BlueLancer

Too much information...


28 posted on 02/25/2024 5:46:47 PM PST by caver
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To: nickcarraway

Fractional math before decimals was pointless.


29 posted on 02/25/2024 5:54:17 PM PST by dangus
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To: dangus

Lol.


30 posted on 02/25/2024 5:56:00 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Ezekiel

Ah, yes.... the famous Midnight Ride:

Listen my children that thou shant lack
of the Midnight Ride of Jack Black.


31 posted on 02/25/2024 5:57:40 PM PST by dangus
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To: nickcarraway

Sounds like a Bee title.


32 posted on 02/25/2024 6:21:25 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: nickcarraway

ICWYD.T


33 posted on 02/25/2024 6:31:01 PM PST by null and void (I identify as a conspiracy theorist. My personal pronouns are told/you/so.)
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To: nickcarraway

What’s the point?


34 posted on 02/25/2024 8:02:18 PM PST by Honest Nigerian
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To: nickcarraway

35 posted on 02/25/2024 8:06:21 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: Red Badger

The CDC Cyber 6000 series mainframe computers used a 60-bit memory size. It was chosen because 60 could be conveniently divided by 2, 4, 5, 6, 10, 12, 15, 20, and 30. The integral divisors made it great for storing lots of different-sized data types.

The choice of using 60 to divide hours into minutes was for the same reason: lots of nice integral divisors.


36 posted on 02/25/2024 8:21:17 PM PST by Gideon7
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To: nickcarraway
Van Brummelen recalls his excitement, rushing through the dormitory halls with his computer, eager to share his discovery. He shouted, “Look at this, this guy is doing decimal points in the 1440s!”

What a nerd. Good for him.

37 posted on 02/26/2024 2:51:47 AM PST by Tax-chick (Sounds like a great idea, with the best of intentions. What could possibly go wrong?)
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To: Ezekiel

I think everyone finally got the point. As a nation though, it’s only since Obama that we’ve really seen division.


38 posted on 02/26/2024 10:16:58 AM PST by Rennes Templar (Come back, President Trump.)
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To: Rennes Templar

It’s all inversely proportional.

He may have been the One, but nobody is going to be dividing by Zero.

I strongly suspect, however, that he was the first binary ‘president’.


39 posted on 02/26/2024 10:23:31 AM PST by Ezekiel (🆘️ "Come fly with US". 🔴 Ingenuity -- because the Son of David begins with MARS ♂️, aka every man)
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To: Ezekiel

True. He seems kind of square, but the sum total shows he’s a radical.


40 posted on 02/26/2024 10:28:49 AM PST by Rennes Templar (Come back, President Trump.)
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