Posted on 01/07/2024 6:17:06 PM PST by Reno89519
We are seeing tens of thousands of invaders pouring into the US almost daily, by some accounts we now have 30-60 or more million illegal aliens in the US. Worse, they've been given papers, work visas, public assistance, government travel, and more. Court dates? As many as 10 years or more away. I'm sure we can stop this, maybe January 2025, but can we undo the damage?
We still need E-Verify as it will root out the millions that were not given work permits.
I was in Walmart this afternoon myself. Usually I notice multiple Spanish speaking families, but today I saw at least half-a-dozen groups of 2-4 military age Spanish speaking males. That’s new and very visible.
Well, California is now giving them health care. All red-state governors should run an in-state media campaign to advertise that California is where they should go. Let them all relocate there. Set up border patrol check points at all state crossings, the reverse of California’s “agriculture” checkpoints.
Trump is doing a martyr revenge campaign. He might win, but I doubt it. With or without my support.
I prefer DeSantis. He's MAGA with a record of success and no drama, no baggage. He's boring compared to Trump, sure, but I'd prefer someone that can negotiate, get legislation done, secure permanent long-term wins. That's definitely not Trump.
Trump was right choice in 2016, again in 2020, but no, sorry, not in 2024. And despite all of the polls and hype and 24/7 Trump drama, we've still go weeks until the first votes. Not sure how DeSantis will place in Iowa, but I suspect ineligible Haley might actually win in New Hampshire since it is open vote with Democrats to muck with the Republican choice. And upcoming Nevada, what a mess--first, there is a primary with Haley on it but none of the others, so she'll get a win, then a caucus without her, but with Trump and DeSantis. The party says delegates will come from the caucus but look for fireworks and embarrassment all around.
It’s not that Reno89519 isn’t smart, it’s just that so much of what he thinks he knows isn’t so.
What Can We Do or Expect to Happen to Illegal Aliens?
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citizenship
That’s a fact. He’s spouting Obama’s b.s. claim about “deportations” which were nothing more than turning people away at the border.
And like Anne Coulter he blames Trump for Paul Ryan’s refusal to fund the border wall.
Some of the clowns posting this garbage have been anti Trump for years. I think this is one of those.
I raised some good points about Trump's views and actions on immigration, maybe you'd like to discuss those? That'd be more productive conversation than what you have contributed so far. Consider this, as an alternative, will insults, name calling, and bullying win votes or just cause more people to sit out voting in November. And, again, remember, not a single vote has been cast yet for 2024 so who knows what will transpire between now and the convention in 7+ months.
So, back to immigration, what say you? Talk and no action, leaving Obama having deported more people than Trump? What plan and proof that things might be different in a new Trump administration?
The real replacement no one talks about are the Indians, I am surrounded by them here in Frisco, Texas.
Yes, thanks to H1B. Just 30 years ago there were something like 125K Indians in the US, not likely, from an IT perspective, 125 million. The H1B program should be shut down, deport all Indians. They are flooding our country, replacing us, hiring among themselves, locking out Americans. This is just as bad as the folks rushing across the border from Mexico. Yet, Trump increased H1B, didn’t deport them when he had a chance with COVID. I don’t think he’s offered a changed view or plan for 2024.
Cut off all the freebies for being in this country. No welfare, free housing, free medical care or free schooling for their kids without proof of legal entry to this country. Triple the fines on businesses hiring illegals. Impose a 50% excise tax on wire transfers to certain foreign countries like Mexico. Deportation of all family members of any illegal committing a crime. Additional jail time for illegals committing a crime. Lastly illegals at the border are held in detention camps rather than released into the country.
Can the work permits that all of these caught and released illegals get be rescinded? That’s the problem is that we’ve got millions of people who have been given working papers while they wait 10 years for their hearings. This is not new, it was going on under Trump as well. The only illegals that don’t have work papers, if I understand correctly, are those who cross the border without encountering border patrol.
What Can We Do or Expect to Happen to Illegal Aliens?
First get rid of English Biden’s done a good start of it.
We can’t deport them because leftists would have a hissy fit the likes of which we’ve never seen.
What could be done is to codify (legislative statute) to deny them any current or future public support system benefits like Social Security, WICs, SNAP, TANF, Section 8, etc.
IOW, take away the allure of being here and having easy access to leftist largess.
We have to deport them. Seriously, as many as 60 million or more presently in the US. Leaving them just makes permanent the damage being done. There are millions here without papers, or that have been told to leave. No one is hunting them down. Now, over the years, including Trump, we’ve got 10s of millions given papers and years out dates. We are told that 99% will be found ineligible to stay but what does that mean after years?
There are ways to ‘deport them’. Self-deportation by removing the benefits they came her for is one. Lots of good suggestions here in the thread. 50% excise tax on remittances, removing all public assistance benefits and access to any retirement systems, denial of green cards and ‘paths to citizenship,’ NO importation of family members, no access to financial institutions, any infraction of local laws results in immediate deportation. Make life here miserable enough for them to want to go home or somewhere else like Canada..
Thanks for posting those.
Well, bye.
First, we don't have the housing for all of these people who essentially stampeded the border. As I posted in October:
I once took a trip to Lagos Nigeria and was shocked to see how many young men were literally standing around with nothing to do on street corners and empty lots filled with shanties made up of scrap metal and wood as far as the eye could see. Biden has brought that level of squalor to our cities in just a few years.
Cities more or less develop organically over time. They start out as settlements, then farms and wells are developed to feed the residents, then land is cleared to house new arrivals, then more farms and water sources are developed to sustain the new arrivals. Then the cycle repeats.Eventually, industries are formed to employ the residents, raw materials are exploited to make permanent the infrastructure, and businesses are created to furnish the residents with finished goods.
Trade begins with neighboring cities so that excesses in one city can be sold to acquire the excesses from another due to the differences in the availability natural resources from one region to another.
Ultimately, an equilibrium forms between the size of the cities and the infrastructures required to sustain them. It is into this balance of cities within our nation that Joe Biden dropped the equivalent of an entire new state's population in one year, and now stands back wondering why America's cities are collapsing from the sudden stress of new arrivals with no relevant skills and nothing but needs.
Between our own native homeless people living in tents on the city streets, and now the illegal aliens living in modified hotels and tent cities constructed just for them, we have a new underclass that will drain our economy's resources and give nothing back.
Second, I don't think the inflation problem will go away. The Consumer Price Index (CPI) has gone up 17.25% since Biden took office. If inflation continues at the current rate through to the end of the year, prices will have gone up by 22% during Biden's term.
The middle class's purchasing power has been so degraded in four years that not only are their wages buying less, but the products themselves are smaller than they used to be. Not only do things cost more, we have to buy more of them just to maintain the levels of what we consume. Inflation may go back to normal, but the damage done to everyday people's budgets cannot be undone. Wage growth has not kept up with price growth, so we will see a persistent bleed in people's bank accounts.
Third, job security will start to be impacted. I think we will start seeing a round of layoffs occurring in all aspects of the economy, from white collar offices to blue collar wage earners. Corporations will be forced to lay off people as the cost of goods rises and demand decreases due to people not being able to afford to shop for basic commodities. Stores will cut back on staff, from sales clerks to stockers, hours may be cut, etc.
The job data hasn't been showing this to-date, but people haven't been focusing on the revisions to prior months, only the current month headlines. New job counts were revised downward by almost 450,000 from their initial reports in 2023. Jobs are starting to contract. Year-over-year temporary worker hiring has been negative since December 2022, meaning that companies are letting these first-line workers go. Regular staff will soon follow. This will put a new burden on our unemployment entitlements.
Fourth, manufacturing has been slowing down for almost a year and has been contracting since the summer. Assembly line jobs will be going away, further stressing our unemployment entitlements. With a slow-down in manufacturing comes a decrease in the supply chain and a decrease in the need to transport intermediate and finished products.
Fifth the stock market is at the high-end of the Price-to-Earnings (P/E) ratio range, meaning there isn't much more room for growth. Pressure will be downward; the S&P is trading at 21.5X forward earnings (in September it was 23X), and the long-term average for the S&P 500 is 16X.
And we will pay for it, until we can't anymore.
Then we collapse.
-PJ
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