Posted on 11/15/2023 9:39:27 PM PST by Olog-hai
The next generation of the Toyota Camry, the best-selling sedan in the U.S. market, will come with only a gas-electric hybrid powertrain, the boldest move yet by the Japanese automaker to push hybrid technology into the heart of the U.S. market.
The 2025 Camry will combine a 2.5-liter gasoline engine with an electric drive system tuned to deliver more power in both front-wheel drive and all-wheel drive versions of the car, Toyota said.
Compliance with tougher U.S. fuel economy rules was a factor in Toyota’s decision to make the new Camry an all-hybrid vehicle line, dropping four- and six-cylinder combustion models that made up about 85% of sales in the current model year, David Christ, head of the Toyota brand in North America, told Reuters. Another factor behind the decision was “the performance we were able to get out of the hybrid,” he said. …
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My 10 year old Prius with over 200k miles still runs between 47 and 55 MPG depending on which seasonal fuel mixture is being sold.
Shell runs higher then BP, then a couple of the grocery chains (Giant Eagle/Meijer), then a big jump down to everyone else.
I’m still waiting for Toyota to come out with a hybrid diesel in their truck line.
The nice thing about hybrids is that if the battery is low then it just switches to acting like a normal vehicle. My prius gets about 25mpg with the 4 cylinder alone when the battery is running low....which normally only happens when I’m running around the neighborhood because it switches to 100% battery at lower speeds.
The RAV4 is a great vehicle. Bought my son one when he was in college. He still has it 200k plus on it. Once he graduated he got a job that mandated he had a vehicle less than 3 years old because he has to travel. He bought a RAV4 plug in prime hybrid. It’s fast efficient and reliable. Living in Massholechusetts we get our share of snow and he has never had a problem. I wasn’t sold on the hybrid stuff but I am becoming a convert. Although, my Tacoma only has 24k on it so I could drive it for the next 25 years or until they ban gas sales. Which is possible if the Moonbats have their way.
My wife has a 2011 Hybrid Camry.
Almost 0 trouble.
I’ve owned several Camry’s and this move will make Toyota go the way of Budweiser. Goodbye Camry!
“Big mistake IMHO.”
Smart move based in the regulations that hav e to be met to sell a vehicle.
Far far better than battery only cars which is what most stupidly sunk their resources into
Automakers have no choice in the matter due to the CAFE standards being increased to levels unobtainable by ICE as we’ve known it.
It’s been coming coming coming like a freight train blaring in the night!
Did you think this crap was going to magically disappear?
I’m set for life with new cars so I don’t have to deal with it
You’re left with no choice if you’re a buyer.
Hybrid? Other than added costs, not so much a huge mistake.
All electric? Yes that would be a huge mistake.
You can’t beat thermodynamics.
What choice are you wanting?
This isn’t an all electric plug in... this is a ICE car with batteries.
I don’t think most consumers are going to through a hissy over a passenger car that comes in only hybrid form, that they want ICE only.
Down side of hybrid is it raises the cost, so folks who can’t afford it will go elsewhere, that’s true.. but I don’t think huge folks are going ICE only for me.
If they had made it plug in only, then yes, that would have tanked this car overnight. But hybrid? Nah.. will lose customers who can’t afford the extra cost hybrid adds vs pure ICE... but that’s about it.
Not there yet, but there are economies of scale.
Just like the manual transmission. They are cheaper to make, but manufacturing actually cheaper overall to make all cars the same so manual transmission is now virtually a thing of the past in mass produced vehicles.
This will likely happen with Hybrids, but I don’t know if we are there yet, but clearly Toyota has decided we are going this route for this vehicle.
The choice of not having these ridiculous regulations. They arr no choice at all.
There’s a reason people eschew hybrids still.
Sorry but hybrids aren’t being run away from, only major factor for hybrid is cost… and benefit from them
Suv hybrids largely have been jokes. Thousands more to cost for maybe a mile or two mpg improvements
I don’t think you are going to see Camry sales take any major hit from being hybrid only. Increased cost may take the car out of the running for some buyers, but are people, in larger numbers, going to write it of simply because it only comes in hybrid? Not likely
We shall see, but I really doubt you are going to see 2025 model year Camry sales crater over being hybrid only.
“Most of this story is simply Toyota is going to build a Camry with a smaller engine that hauls a battery around.”
And gets way better gas mileage, more power, ~600 mile range, and no range anxiety or long recharge times.
Sounds like a winner to me!
That's because you've been driving vehicles with engines that were much bigger than they needed to be. Necessarily tuned for a wide powerband which gives up a lot of efficiency, large friction losses, large pumping losses, all adding up to lousy gas mileage.
“all adding up to lousy gas mileage.”
My ICE car gets better cost per mile than any electric. You never were any good with the math on all this. You’re just enamored with the torque of the electric motor. To what end is dangerous and silly.
You’re the type that would weave in and out of traffic looking for that next half second burst of acceleration thinking you were driving some kind of race car on a race track. The Fast & Furious moron type that saw one too many movies.
Hybrid is not EV. I have A hybrid and I love it. I do not have to plug in it all happens in the background. I get Close to 40 mpg.
Do you have e to use that blue stuff in your diesel vehicle?
Nobody said hybrid was full EV. Still, they have batteries and the risk of battery fire is still there, never the outrageous cost of battery replacement if needed.
If what you say was remotely true, the hybrid Camry, and they’ve been around for over a decade, would have been the best-selling option. But it isn’t.
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