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To: JonPreston; kiryandil; UMCRevMom@aol.com
JonPreston: "Your Biden pushed this war, just as we have been saying x 2 years.
Top Ukrainian MP, David Arakhamia, confirms Russia agreed to end the war and pull back its troops in March 2022 if Ukraine would accept neutrality.
- Then, the US/UK sabotaged the peace agreement to fight Russia with Ukrainian soldiers.
- Confirmed by mediators -Turkey & Israel
pic.twitter.com/TVENA022Kn— Glenn Diesen (@Glenn_Diesen) November 25, 2023"

We've covered this ground now at least three times before,

Here on November 5

Here on November 17

Here on November 24

Key facts remain as always:

  1. Sources pushing this narrative are all pro-Russian, there are none I've seen from the Ukrainian perspective.

  2. Vlad the Invader himself only began pushing it in June 2023, perhaps signaling his own eagerness to "negotiate".

  3. Vlad the Invader himself killed earlier negotiations

      "Russian President Vladimir Putin had rejected a potential deal with Ukraine offered by his key envoy in the early days of the invasion as he 'expanded' his goals to include annexing more territory, Reuters reported Wednesday, citing three unnamed sources close to Russia's leadership.

      Kremlin deputy chief of staff Dmitry Kozak, Putin’s chief envoy on Ukraine, was said to have secured a deal guaranteeing that Ukraine would not join NATO — a key Russian demand prior to its full-scale invasion of its pro-Western neighbor.
      According to Reuters, Putin made clear that Kozak’s deal with an unspecified number of Ukrainian concessions did not go far enough.
      Putin reportedly 'expanded his objectives to include annexing swathes of Ukrainian territory,' Reuters reported. 'Everything was canceled.
      Putin simply changed the plan as he went along,' one of Reuters’ sources was quoted as saying."

      Moscow Times, September 14, 2022.

  4. I've never seen a statement from any Ukrainian official saying they were willing to accept peace with Russia on Vlad the Invader's terms.

  5. Beginning early in Russia's invasion, US Pres. Biden said publicly, the US will support Ukraine's resistance "for as long as it takes".
    My guess is, such assurances may well be the root cause of Ukraine's leadership's unwillingness to sign a surrender document with Vlad the Invader in March 2022, or anytime since.
Bottom line is that Vlad the Invader can have peace with Ukraine and with the world at large, today if he wants it.
All he has to do is order his minions in Ukraine to stop fighting, withdraw back to previous recognized Russian boundaries, and promise never to invade again.
Then there is the matter of Russian reparations to Ukraine, but those will be very cheap compared to the costs in blood and treasure of continuing his invasions of neighboring countries like Ukraine.

232 posted on 11/26/2023 4:27:05 AM PST by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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To: BroJoeK
Peace was at hand in March, 2022, but YOUR Biden pushed war, a war you Neocons celebrate.

Ukraine is NOT a democracy ‼️

Zelensky banned opposition political parties

— He arrested political opponents

— He banned independent media

— He shut down Orthodox churches

— Nazi collaborators are celebrated as national heroes (Ukraine has over 40 monuments of Stepan… https://t.co/CX7vhfqfcg pic.twitter.com/VBUcs77vZO— Gabe (@GabeZZOZZ) November 26, 2023


235 posted on 11/26/2023 4:52:10 AM PST by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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