Posted on 10/30/2023 10:59:52 PM PDT by RandFan
@DougAMacgregor
You have a understandable and justified interest from Israel to Destroy Hamas.
However, I think the current plan will provoke an enormous reaction from the Muslim world.
Pretty much everyone from Indonesia to Morocco is going to be extremely upset and I think we will see the front against Israel in the region coalesce into a real Military alliance against Israel.
We need to protect Israel from itself.
The problem is, it takes a President who has the authority and strength to tell the Israeli Government no, you can not go into Gaza and execute the plans you have.
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I'm generally sympathetic to what he's saying here.
I know not everyone likes him but he's the only person I know saying this and it makes a lot of sense to me...
Come on Freepers I know this will spark a debate. What do you think?
We can’t tell another country what to do. Muslims want to exterminate them. They have no choice but to destroy Hamas. If no one will stand with them, then we can’t be surprised when they resort to the unthinkable to ensure Israel lives on.
Every solution that does not involve war involves the acceptance of Jew death.
$20 billion dollars in “aid” gives the US govt’ a pretty big say
This guy is nuts.
Squad member wannabe.
I wouldn’t go that far
He has another view. He’s entitled to it.
I too am worried about a regional and deepening war. These things tend to go that way
What I’m worried about is the unintended consequences and other actors getting involved.
It could get out of hand, regionally speaking and even internationally.
I just hope Netanyahu knows what he’s doing
What is the objective? To destroy Hamas, right? OK.
But US tried to destroy Vietcong and Taliban and couldn’t and are far more powerful.
It’s never so easy or cut and dried...
After 1600 years of unending violence and warfare the Muslims won’t like us anymore....
This only happens due to a weak USA thanks the Biden regime. In USA under a strong leader, Israel would be completely justified and welcome to clean out Hamas in Gaza and the sympathiser terrorist countries would be upset, but would back off any action fearing a strong USA response.
Who’s going to protect us from @DougAMacgregor ?
was “Pretty much everyone from Indonesia to Morocco is going to be extremely upset” when hamas massacred Israelis?
yeah i thought so
He’s despicable.
Stop swallowing garbage and calling it a feast.
It’s pathetic if you can’t see the MacGregor is a total Tokyo Rose shill for Russian state policy.
Good God!
Save Israel from itself??
Not from Hamas?
Good God in Heaven.
Put the US right up there in how much they give Iran when comparing to Israel. You would think the leverage we have in giving money to a greater degree would be to Iran; yet Iran continue to be the bellicose state that it is - what influence are we exerting there?
This is a joke - only Israel has made concessions to the terrorist states that demand a two state solution.
Only the terrorists have broken every deal made with Israel.
Israel has always been available as on honest partner in peace negotiations.
Cease fires serve only to enrich the coffers and armaments of the terrorist states.
I think making a clean sweep now is the plan; the trick is to slow roll it in some way to limit the engagements from all sides at once. I still see the US stabbing Israel in the back through all of this. I believe they will enforce a no fly zone against Israel for humanitarian reasons. The only question is will it be after Judea and Samaria are one with Israel?
Who gives a flying F if Indonesia and Morocco are upset that Israel defends itself?
MacGregor is an immoral pig.
The right to self defense is one of the most vital conservative principles. Prove me wrong.
Don’t shoot the messenger
He is just saying something I tend to agree with and not many are saying it
Look at the bigger picture
From a Christian perspective, Jesus said, “...there will be wars and rumors of wars”. He did NOT forbid them. Throughout the Old Testament, God instructed the Israelites to go to war against certain groups. (Though not popular to mention, he also set other nations against Israel when they disobeyed him time after time.) I don’t begin to claim I know what God’s will is here, but if the past is any indication, He does not expect Israel to be a door mat. If God is for it, then Israel will be victorious. Or, it may be that this is the beginning of the end, when ALL nations, including us, will turn against Israel and surround her. But I don’t think we are there, yet; that comes at the end of the seven years of tribulation. God only knows if this is just birth pangs, or if He’s getting ready to perform the greatest disappearing act of all time. Time will tell.
As i said the 20 billion dollars in aid gives the US govt’ a big say
YES I agree Israel can defend itself but lets not pretend they have license to go over-board or exterminate a population that could lead to even more widespread anger
Do people not see what MacGregor has been feeding them, now that he turns it on Israel and Hamas?
Do people know he also peddles that we cannot “afford” to defend any of our allies overseas?
Or that he advocates and predicts Germany joining Russia to take over Europe?
Now he’s trying to “save Israel”.
Screw him to Hell.
Given what Hamas organized on Oct 7, Israel has every right to invade and occupy Gaza, and depose that criminal Regime.
But I don’t think Israel militarily can do it. They want to do something ten times 1999 Grozny, where the Russians used 20K+ troops, “claimed” 1500 dead and 4000 injured.
Multiply by ten.
And if they use anything like the tactics of 1999 Grozny they will be under sanctions etc. from most of the rest of the world - not just moslems.
Then to occupy Gaza in perpetuity, the typical ratio for a hostile population is 20:1 civilians to soldiers. That is 100K (most of the Israeli army) forever.
Israel is very hooked up to the global economy. They have their own oil production and their own refineries, but they depend on imported steel and imported grain. Those are the essentials for any lengthy war.
Any strategy that provokes international sanctions from everyone except the US is going to be an economic and military killer long term.
My view, Israel’s best option is shell Gaza (cheapest HE delivery) and lay a giant minefield say, 2km inside Gaza and maybe another 2-3 km outside the boundary.
Make them tunnel for 3 miles before they can attack jews again. That will keep them busy.
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