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What to tell my daughter when she says it should be harder for people to buy guns
none | today | jagusafr

Posted on 10/30/2023 10:43:55 AM PDT by jagusafr

Daughter #2, while she wants to learn to handle a handgun safely, said yesterday, "I do think it should be harder for people to buy guns." I didn't pound on 2A because that's not what works with her. Any suggestions on sources for her to get comfortable with "shall not be infringed"?


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To: jagusafr

Hire a fake stalker.


121 posted on 10/30/2023 12:13:16 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

60 years ago public high schools in Baltimore city had pistol teams. 50 years ago, suburban high school students could leave their gun on the gun rack in the back of their pickups in the school parking lot. It’s not the guns.


122 posted on 10/30/2023 12:14:28 PM PDT by Freee-dame
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To: jagusafr

Just spam her with all the stories of how citizens with guns have saved lives.


123 posted on 10/30/2023 12:16:22 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam ("Normal" is never coming back.)
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To: reed13k

Good one!


124 posted on 10/30/2023 12:17:09 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam ("Normal" is never coming back.)
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To: wafflehouse

Yesterday or today someone posted a meme that said something like: Cain killed Abel with a rock. God didn’t remove all rocks. He dealt with Cain.


125 posted on 10/30/2023 12:18:27 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam ("Normal" is never coming back.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

Excellent points.

The very idea that it should be harder to own a gun is equal to the idea that it should be harder to freely assemble, harder to exercise your right to free speech, harder to vote, and harder to practice your religion.


126 posted on 10/30/2023 12:23:04 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (A truth that’s told with bad intent, Beats all the lies you can invent ~ Wm. Blake)
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To: jagusafr
January 8, 2017 - posted to FR:

10 Years Later: The Brutal Murders of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom

EXCERPT:

You probably have not heard the names Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom.

But I remember those names, and the tears that were brought to my eyes when I heard about what happened to them.

On January 7, 2007, the young white couple - Channon was 21, her boyfriend Chris was 23 - was abducted, beaten, raped, tortured, and murdered. Chris eventually shot to death before being set on fire, and Channon left to die with a plastic bag over her head in a trash can. The perpetrators were all black.

If you have not heard their story, it’s because the racial nature of that black-on-white crime was uncomfortable for the national media a decade ago. Even now, it’s uncomfortable, as the delayed and reluctant coverage of the Chicago tortures showed.

The complete story at Legal Insurrection.

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127 posted on 10/30/2023 12:23:35 PM PDT by linMcHlp
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To: Armscor38
The Jews in the Warsaw Uprising had weapons and they still got slaughtered.

They had a few handguns, and I think one rifle. They still managed to hold off the entire might of the German government for a quite a while before they were slaughtered. Indeed, the paucity of firepower they had didn't save them, but they did take out some of those who were intent to kill them.

128 posted on 10/30/2023 12:25:01 PM PDT by zeugma (Stop deluding yourself that America is still a free country.)
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To: Armscor38
Well, that's your assertion to make.

You seem to be approaching or leading to some sort of point about something. Please, what is it?

129 posted on 10/30/2023 12:27:15 PM PDT by OKSooner (Be especially sure to take extra wool socks.)
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To: jagusafr

It was bad enough I had to wait seven days to pick up my firearm.


130 posted on 10/30/2023 12:32:25 PM PDT by roving (👌⚓Deplorable Listless Vessel with Trumpitist who looks Trumpish)
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To: Armscor38

No, they wouldn’t. They were saved.


131 posted on 10/30/2023 12:34:30 PM PDT by roving (👌⚓Deplorable Listless Vessel with Trumpitist who looks Trumpish)
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To: jagusafr

Tell her it is a personal decision for individuals to make. It is a right guaranteed in the constitution equal to all others. She doesn’t have any right or ability to chose what rights other people exercise.


132 posted on 10/30/2023 12:35:09 PM PDT by Clean_Sweep
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To: linMcHlp
The sad story of Bob and Nancy Strait hits close to home for me since my elderly parents lived about a mile away from the Straits.

My parents got out in time. The Strait were one day too late.

133 posted on 10/30/2023 12:37:10 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (A truth that’s told with bad intent, Beats all the lies you can invent ~ Wm. Blake)
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To: jagusafr
I see you have had a large number of relies, but I will add mine to the mix anyway.

I always like Imprimis articles for covering a subject, so here is one.

The Second Amendment as an Expression of First Principles

https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/the-second-amendment-as-an-expression-of-first-principles/

The next covers a woman thinking through her liberal orthodoxy to arrive at a realistic understanding of gun possession.

Rethinking the Second Amendment Can we really have peace and freedom without guns?

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2022/06/rethinking-second-amendment-dr-naomi-wolf/

I like to mention to people who think the problem is guns and not society my experience as a teenager with guns. I was in my sophomore year of college and an acquaintance said I should get an M-1 Carbine and some of those treacherous 30 round magazines. It would less than 100 dollars. Well, I had to pay all my college costs and $100 was about the cost of books for a semester, so I passed. The below article discusses what happened when these weapons were unleashed on the country in the 60's.

THE MASSACRE SPREE THAT NEVER WAS

https://freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/4072337/posts?page=1

This post to Free Republic helped my understanding of the subject. Unfortunately, I couldn't get the graph to print. Access to guns in our society must be a given for a free society. Bad people will get guns, so good people must have free access.

"This comes down to risk-minimization vs elimination. In investing, you lower your risk of loss or volatility by spreading your eggs across several baskets. However, one risk you cannot diversity away is the "systematic risk" or the risk inherent in the system...call it market risk or whatever, the basic reality is some baseline level of risk will ALWAYS exist, and you can't avoid it.

The same applies to America, her freedoms, and insane acts of violence.

Laws that support, life, liberty, and property are right and proper. Many laws act as a deterrent and will stop people on the margin from doing bad things...this is akin to diversifying away the non-systematic risk. Thus laws criminalizing murder, are right and proper.

However, in a nation like America where freedom reigns and the individual trumps the collective, the risk of a maniac going on a killing spree is Undiversifiable. It is idiosyncratic.

The adults in the room understand on some baseline level, in a relatively free society of 330MM people who are LARGELY civilized, you'll ALWAYS have a few pathological maniacs who will shoot up a club, derail a train, etc. Thus, random acts of violence, are the Undiversifiable/systematic risk of a free society.

Sure, maybe some laws can help, like liberal application of the 2nd Amendment and concealed carry. But uncivilized folks will act uncivilized.

The political class and purveyors of Authority Bias want you to think the idiosyncratic risk of a free society CAN be eliminated, via shredding civil liberties, e.g., we can eliminate mass shootings by an assault-weapons band, yellow flag laws, and the inevitable welding of a GoPro to the heads of 330MM people with central monitoring in DC. EVEN THEN, that wouldn't be perfect...after all, people in jail still get drugs and weapons.

You can't stomp out all bad folks. THAT is the ugly truth".

134 posted on 10/30/2023 12:38:46 PM PDT by Retain Mike ( Sat Cong)
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To: jagusafr

Ask her what she would think if the prevailing sentiment was “females shouldn’t own guns because they are so emotional” and see what she says.


135 posted on 10/30/2023 12:42:16 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: jagusafr

"Meanwhile, Israeli parents and youth are wishing the government had armed their civilians to the teeth. No purchase necessary. You can see there what happens to an unarmed society ... do you really want to join them in their plight? When your flashes before your eyes in seconds ... the police and military are only minutes away."


136 posted on 10/30/2023 12:54:21 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: jagusafr

Take her to a sporting goods store with $500 cash. Go inside with her and have her try to buy a firearm.

IOW, demonstrate to her just how mistaken she is with the basic premise of “guns are easy to buy”.


137 posted on 10/30/2023 1:02:41 PM PDT by Don W (When blacks riot, neighborhoods and cities burn. When whites riot, nations and continents burn)
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To: jagusafr

A good start would be viewing the go pro videos of the Hamas savages slaughtering unarmed Jewish citizens.


138 posted on 10/30/2023 1:09:57 PM PDT by DeplorablePaul
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To: jagusafr

Tell her that the harder they make it to buy guns, the harder it will be for you and people like you to protect their children.


139 posted on 10/30/2023 1:12:53 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard ( Resist the narrative)
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To: Armscor38

The Jews were surrounded. But they chose the time, place and manner of death. Not the Nazi’s!


140 posted on 10/30/2023 1:21:54 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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