Posted on 10/29/2023 9:24:09 PM PDT by EnderWiggin1970
Since the West-backed Maidan Putsch seized power in Ukraine in 2014, they have embarked on a massive de-Russification and pro-Banderization campaign, tearing down statues and monuments, replacing plaques, and renaming towns and streets – getting rid of anything dedicated to Russians and Soviets, and frequently erecting honours and memorials to WW2 era West Ukrainian Nazi collaborators, who are glorified for fighting those Russians and Communists, despite their bloody massacres of Ukrainian Jews, Poles, Hungarians, Russians, and Leftists in their place.
This policy has been accelerated even further in recent days as Zelenskiy has recently put into force directives that Ukraine must be completely de-Russified by the end of the year. A Ukraine where before the West-backed Maidan Putsch in 2014, 20% of the population was ethnic Russian and over half of the country spoke Russian on a daily basis.
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Zelensky is owned and operated by globalists - he does what they want. He’s going to keep begging for money for ‘foreign aid’ as long as his handlers tell him, and that’s likely going to be AFTER every ambulatory soldier is dead. He’s a puppet, a figurehead, not a real leader.
If you think I’m insane then you should avoid me. For some reason you wander around heaping insults on me. I can’t help educate you - you need to find out what’s been going on in NATO and the crime center the elites built in the Ukraine.
oh grow up.
If you don’t want to support Ukraine don’t.
But arguments that a national leader whose country is invaded is “murdering” his people is a childish tantrum and mental diarrhea.
It’s complete nonsense because you just want every crazy argument to work for you. Well it doesn’t work.
You should stop posting to me. It just makes you look silly to keep calling me names. Your time would be better spent researching the topic so you would know what you are talking about.
The Nazi’s are a political / social movement and atheist.
***If you had framed the argument such that Nazi’s (far right) are really just the same as communists (far left) in that both are totalitarian, highly centralized, atheist (religion might oppose the agenda and it competes for power), and systems where the citizen is a mere subject and ultimately this form of collectivist thinking squashes any sort of liberty and individualism, I could agree.***
The basic argument here is that instead of a flat spectrum, it’s a circular continuum where if you get to the bottom may it be from the left or right, you end up in exactly the same $hitty place.
But that’s not what you did.
Besides, Russia isn’t communist, and we aren’t really this beacon of freedom anymore either.
Russia moved towards decentralization and privatization for a while (90s), with large parts of their economy, as we moved more towards centralization and government control through regulation. We both have centralized governments (Moscow / Washington) that set the tone for the whole nation.
The Russians today are an oligarchy, meaning you have a small elite class that rules that place. Just like us: https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-politics/article/testing-theories-of-american-politics-elites-interest-groups-and-average-citizens/62327F513959D0A304D4893B382B992B On MOST decisions where the small ruling elite has interests contrary to the majority, the small minority elite wins in the political arena.
Russia is a flawed democracy. But unless you want to tell me that the less than charismatic, somewhat FUGLY looking, low energy, mumbling, sometimes putting his foot in his mouth Biden, who ran a campaign from his basement and had less rallies and speeches than any other candidate since WWII won 81,000,000 votes, more than Obama, “fair and square,” we also have our issues in this regard.
Russia does not really follow a Constitution, just like us. Name me one of the Bill of Rights which has not been abridged?
When it comes to human rights, we have abdicated the high ground in literally every possible area: torture, kidnapping, transparency of government, assignations, backing despots... Today the differences between us and say Russia are largely polemic (comparing them to Nazi’s, calling them a horde, whatever...) while we do the exact same things, or finance, train and arm folks who do. Do you realize when it comes to all this “propaganda” and “censorship” today, others basically copy us? Do you realize that as we began on the slippery slope which brought us here post WWII, we were the ones that largely came up with the manual on how to play the non-conventional warfare game and we have deployed more troops, spent more money, operated in more countries, over thrown more governments, than anyone else? BTW, did we get our boys home: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gideon_(2020)#/media/File:Operaci%C3%B3n_Gede%C3%B3n_2020_-_SEBIN_capture.png? That’s another great Biden success story.
We are actually very alike, two powers with a sphere of influence. We both are willing to use force not in defense but in furtherance of economic interests. We both are the ones that control near all the worlds gas and oil (energy which keeps things moving). We control 2/3rds, Russia controls 1/3rd, but everyone gets their oil from areas that either the US or Russia control. However, we are the remaining super power, Russia a has-been that wants to maintain what they see as theirs. The balance of power is no longer there. You now have a super-power competing with a has-been power that in reality is conventionally #6 today. We’re bumping heads because we think it’s our right to step all over their turf, even take away what has been theirs for the last 80+ years (all for peace, democracy, and human rights of course) or where they have formal alliances, example Syria which we simply decided to invade and they have navy and air bases there (that’s a formal ally since 1970).
***You can find “something” to compare “anyone” to the Nazi’s, even us, and some folks do.
Some folks compare Israel to the Nazi’s.
Some folks called Trump a Nazi.
The only thing that does seem to be true about folks mentioning Nazi’s in their argument is Godwin’s Law: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
Hitler was Austrian. Napoleon was Corsican. Your point is......?
I’ll post to who I want if you don’t like it don’t answer me.
Conservatism is based on logic.
We can’t have a conservative nation if we fall for nonsensical marxist rhetoric.
All the posts here about Ukraine killing its own people is left wing billcrap and moral nihilism.
You don’t even understand the basics of life or morality so let’s not pretend you have a grasp of the situation in Ukraine.
Screaming “globalist” am the time of not a replacement for actual wisdom.
People who don’t even get that one country attacked another and is continuing to do so for three years, shouldn’t be driving a car, much less a nation.
Okay, well I thought calling me names would eventually get boring for you, you seemed to be upsetting yourself, so I made the suggestion, but that bothers you too.
Just continue making up insults about me and I’ll find other people who are capable of discussion and are therefore worth my time..
weakdaddy
You made it easy
You Germans are enuchs now
It is easy for me to trigger your weakdaddyness. Noted.
Interesting post. The last point is what I have been asking, and Godwin’s law is exactly my point, same could be said if calling someone a racist, bigot or Isra-phobic…..
Someone at best you disagree with, but more likely hate and after your argument is exhausted you start screaming nazi, racist….
Calling oneself or calling someone a nazi In todays world is ridiculous.
I still maintain that Russias/putins actions esp in regards to Ukraine are far more like than unlike the actions of the nazis of ww2
Russia is a racist, dictatorship wrapped in the cloak of “democracy. The oligarchs are the same as the industrial leaders of nazi germany, living well, making lots of money but ultimately working on behalf of their govt.
Has the US slid in that direction, yes I would agree, is xiden in charge of anything? No more akin to the demented hitler of the last days of the third reich
Is there a dimes difference between repubes and dims, perhaps a pennys worth and that applies to just a few, like Trump look at the flack and you know who is mover the target
The deep state and uniparty are the ones calling most of the shots, the media is mostly no different than RT.
To your point that both sides do it….., don’t disagree just find it fascinating that so many on the pro Russian side like to wrap themselves in the “we are saving Christian values “ cloak
Overall thanks for the reply
Come on
Where’s that Nietzsche acid tongue ?
You can do it
Too bad your angry life sucks while everyone else is having a fun Halloween. 🎃🦇👻
You somehow know my life
Really?
A German expert on Nazi tactics and a soothsayer
I’m impressed
First you indicate I am a Berlin Nazi. Then you call me a German eunuch. Then you want a German's acid tongue.
All that shows how deeply disturbed you are because I currently live in Germany.
You are a prime example of how having Berlin in my name attracts the angry kooks flaming at me.
So am I a Berlin Nazi or a German eunuch?
You should stop trolling because you are only hurting yourself. 👻🤣🎃😘
wardaddy (I have seen true anti semitism is more common in USA than I imagined. A disease in the public mind)Just thought you should know. 🎃🦇👻😁
Ukraine & NATO has been losing this war since day one. Just end the money laundering campaign and unnecessary deaths.
War is “forcing” ones will on another people.
That’s never pretty.
Even when we rolled into Iraq, bombs missed their targets, sometimes the targeting was erroneous, some folks went rouge and did their own thing, you had instances of horrible abuse, and a 500 lbs bomb dropped into a city doesn’t really discriminate all that much between a legit target and innocent civilians, and we were still dropping big ordinance in Baghdad even a year after the war was technically over.
We simply want to make the Russians look bad, so we highlight the ugly, that’s all. In Iraq that happened to some extent because you had a Republican President (George W.) which meant the MSM was much more critical. Some of our Euro allies such as the French and Germans were opposed to this war, so their media was highly critical from the onset and you had media spill over into the US. Furthermore, once the Democrats decided to go anti-war in 2004 (elections), even though they voted for it in 2002, the MSM and opposition party went almost entirely negative so stories like Abu Gharib were in the news endlessly, every night they talked about the casualties and kept a running tally showing faces and all.
However, today with Ukraine, you have social media self censoring, a US federal government censoring, and there is a corporate media that is essentially owned and/or beholden to the corporations and oligarchs who supported this war. The Euros and US are in agreement and the Republicans are reluctant to do what the Democrats did with Iraq 2004 (not exploited much in opposition politics). What you get is sad, and almost funny: https://theintercept.com/2022/02/24/ukraine-facebook-azov-battalion-russia/ (speaking about Nazi’s and the war in Ukraine)
The Russians are taking prisoners and even doing exchanges, they are not simply flattening all of Ukraine with nukes or their heavy assets (realize, they really could carpet bomb and flatten Ukraine)... Heck, they are taking mercenaries prisoner and even though threatening execution (which is well in their right in some cases), they are running them through a court and not doing such. It’s a “limited war” where the Russians are trying to minimize collateral damage and the places heavily destroyed are simply where the fighting is intense and no one wants to give up ground - BOTH sides. Ukraine is seen as related, it’s a major Russian trade partner (was right up until the war), they border each other, and there will be life after this war. It’s not even in Russia’s best interest to destroy Ukraine anymore than necessary to achieve their military and political objectives. This isn’t “total war,” not even close.
Total war: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_war
On the flip side, we simply choose to ignore discussing how Ukraine was parking their artillery next to apartment buildings, firing AT weapons from school roof tops, we downplay the whack jobs like Azov, and we really do not discuss what these guys did in the inner war period in the ethnic Russian areas (2014 - 2021). We don’t publish numbers for Ukrainian casualties and equipment losses. We don’t report on Ukrainian set backs in battles or loss of land (only a perceived win is reported and then ignored if it’s lost the next week). Brand new Western weapons shipped to Ukraine and in the hands of Hamas today, not a story! 214 US citizens that died there fighting within the first 365 days, also not a story. How we allow a foreign nation to recruit mercenaries out of the consulates and embassies even in the US, how the US State Department or DOJ doesn’t impede their movement which is what is normally done in any conflict where we don’t want folks traveling there, not reported. In fact, it’s not even a story that the US government is more or less PAYING for these mercenaries. Nope, regards Ukraine all you hear are glorious stories of Ghosts of Kiev, fighting to the last man on Snake Island, and girls with yellow and blue ribbon in their hair sucking on a lollipop and holding a shotgun.
I’m not saying the Russians are good and Ukraine is bad, I’m pointing out both have done bad things but we simply choose to highlight the bad from one side.
This war according to our highly censored and bias MSM can be summarized as: Russia bad, Ukraine good.
***How about this scenario: We had never pushed for NATO East expansion into Ukraine and this war had never happened?***
Here’s four simple question to ask yourself about this idiotic war:
1.) How does this war make me wealthier, more free, or safer?
2.) Name me the US national security interest (not some made up boogieman threat) served, or the alliance/treaty we had with Ukraine that required our involvement?
3.) Is Ukraine better off today because of this? How has Ukraine benefited?
4.) Was this war not probable in that it would happen and predictable in outcome, but worst of all preventable?
This is a war where no one is tearing into the Biden administration. They do not get the credit they deserve. It is a war that is literally the result of a policy failure: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukrainian-president-zelenskiy-holding-talks-with-biden-adviser-says-2021-12-09/ A gamble (assumption of high risk: high probability x high magnitude) that should have never been made.
Had we continued to arm, train, provide intel and give financial aid to Ukraine, we would have deterred any true Russian aggression. But once we crossed the line with NATO expansion that entire argument of this war being “unprovoked” or a “surprise” or “aggression” (all of these emotion terms) went out the window. We at that point became part of the problem.
***Ever notice how not even the the true CAUSE of this war (NATO expansion into Ukraine) is discussed in our MSM or by those responsible? Why do you think?*** Best not to ask questions where any reasonable person would derive an answer that disagrees with ones position.
So much to unpack
First, so it is a “war” now not an “SMO” don’t say that in Russia or you will be up before the “fair” Russian courts.
Have you got you mandatory picture of dear leader up in your house yet, pretty democratic, liberty loving thing to require, just kidding for you, not so much for the free russians though. Refer you back to Russian courts 😂
“Imposing your will “???? Thought it was liberation from nazis
In war there are always examples of mistakes, bad intel which result in collateral damage. What the Russians are doing are not mistakes or errors they are intentional. Dozens of cities are hit daily and they are not military targets. Attacks on grain infrastructure and supplies are not accidents nor are they military targets
Carpet bomb? First they don’t have the assets to do that, secondly they won’t even cross into Ukrainian air space and when they did at the beginning of the war, they lost heavily and loses would be far worse now
Take your four questions and replace us and Ukraine with Russia and Russians.
How do those answers come out
Here are mine to your questions
1.it’s not about me, but about the ability of Ukraine to stay a sovereign country against Soviet er ah Russian aggression
2.when Ukraine gave up the nukes, we along with Russia agreed to their sovereignty and to protect that
3. Ask Putin about that one
4. This war is all about Putin and his last gasp for some kind of Soviet Union rebirth as well as taking Ukrainian resources and apparently children…
So Putin would have been fine and deterred if we had armed and trained Ukrainians, but NATO membership was the red line? Thiught it was nazis, so confusing. Russia has had NATO on its borders for decades now. Latvia. Estonia, Lithuania, Poland and now never seemed possible Finland and Sweden (well done Putin, you did that) and adding Ukraine was somehow the key moment that would unleash NATO invading Russia
The same NATO that saw most members trading with Russia, building companies in Russia, and reducing their militaries?!!! That NATO?
I believe I am resonable, and I have derived answers that disagree with you
Just my 2 cents
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