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I've studied nuclear war for 35 years -- you should be worried. | Brian Toon | TEDxMileHigh
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Posted on 10/29/2023 1:20:08 PM PDT by know.your.why

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To: logi_cal869

Atlantic fish has always been better anyway.

Japan keeps dumping irradiated water and telling everybody it’s okay. Lol.

I’m all for nuclear power but building it on a fault is stupid and criminal in the least.


101 posted on 10/29/2023 4:47:36 PM PDT by HYPOCRACY (This is the dystopian future we've been waiting for!)
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To: steve86

Do you understand the difference between having a nuclear weapon the size of a VW beetle and having a war head that will fit on an ICBM? Iran is not going to do a nuclear attack on anybody.


102 posted on 10/29/2023 4:49:32 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

“Iran would unleash a nuke with zero tegrets”

If they had one which they dont.


103 posted on 10/29/2023 4:50:59 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
I realize that your tendency is to be complacent about Iran's capacity to manufacture and deploy nuclear weapons.

Consider that 20 years ago they were very close or there and already had progressed substantially in the design for an ICBM - carried nuclear weapon.

We assess, from UN International Atomic Energy Agency [IAEA] reports and other sources, that Iran probably already has nuclear weapons. . . . prior to 2003, Iran was manufacturing nuclear weapon components, like bridge-wire detonators and neutron initiators, performing non-fissile explosive experiments of an implosion nuclear device, and working on the design of a nuclear warhead for the Shahab-III missile.

104 posted on 10/29/2023 4:58:49 PM PDT by steve86 (Numquam accusatus, numquam ad curiam ibit, numquam ad carceremâ„¢)
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To: This_Dude

Tests were mostly atmospheric, underground or underwater to minimize fallout and dust ejected into the atmosphere.

Nukes targeted at cities are intended to maximize damage at ground level so they create far more fallout and dust


105 posted on 10/29/2023 5:38:37 PM PDT by varyouga
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To: Eagles6

He’s a Nobel Laureate, like Mikey Mann?


106 posted on 10/29/2023 5:46:14 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: caver

Eventually - You are right. Those that prepare will live long and prosper.


107 posted on 10/29/2023 6:06:43 PM PDT by mosaicwolf
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To: logi_cal869

Chernoobyl forests are hardly a sterile environment. I’ve not been there, but I can attest that the Bikini Atoll ecosystems {Bikini and Eneu Islands) show little that is unexpected except that the terrestrial and aquatic aquatic environments are different in their responses. Rad sources are dominated by the long-half-life isotopes. Biological damage is related to what ges ingested and incorporated in tissues.

For Chernobyl see:

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C10&q=microbial+biota+post+chernobyl&oq=microbial+biota+post+chern


108 posted on 10/29/2023 6:16:19 PM PDT by NelsTandberg ( )
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
Atomic bombs are different then nuclear bombs.

What?

Maybe you mean nuclear weapons are different than thermonuclear weapons.

109 posted on 10/29/2023 6:26:31 PM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: NelsTandberg

The forests of Chernobyl are FAR from normal (the tone of your comment, approaching gaslighting).

Maybe you ought to read some of those papers you linked.


110 posted on 10/29/2023 6:40:12 PM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: Crusher138

You should look up how big they are in China.


111 posted on 10/29/2023 6:52:26 PM PDT by Revel
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To: pierrem15

Bingo!


112 posted on 10/29/2023 7:18:11 PM PDT by fightin kentuckian
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To: PeterPrinciple

You can take a tour of where they detonated the first and multiple bombs at Trinity twice a year.

The radiation levels at Trinity as well as Nagasaki and Hiroshima are far below what is natural in many other places.

My guess:

The “doomsday” nuclear apocalypse is real in so far that it will end the primary nations involved. We would cease to exist as an industrial, information, high tech society. The damage will be so great to industry, infrastructure, energy, communications, transportation, urban centers, the loss of life and in leadership/command and control will be so great that we as the US and Russia will basically be finished for the foreseeable future: https://nikemissile.org/targetmap.gif (Russia’s targets)

Older estimates from the Cold War, where they did some math and simulations and based things an what is likely a more realistic scenario (using realistic models for damage) put US casualties at ~25 million in the first 24 hours. Many more casualties would ensue within the next 30 days. The bulk of those in the next 30 days will die from radiation exposure or who survived but were badly burned etc.

Of course back then you had a lot of hardening: bunkers, shelters... which have mostly been removed (both private and public). But we also had a lot more nukes on both sides, but then again the stuff today is more accurate and reliable: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Georgiy-Stenchikov/publication/26638523/figure/fig1/AS:394354716889091@1471032899509/top-Number-of-nuclear-warheads-in-Russia-USSR-the-US-and-the-total-for-all-the.png

Nonetheless, I think it would be devastating today - enough to “end us” in a practical sense. Einstein, often quoted as having said this, may not have, but it is true: “I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.”

The probability of Russia using these is low (even now). Contrary to how we present Russia, they are doctrinal, have a very stable bureaucracy, a professional cadre of folks dealing with their nukes, and have safeguards in place. Where things get problematic is if fools like Lindsey Graham get their way: https://www.stripes.com/theaters/us/2022-03-04/graham-says-taking-out-putin-stop-ukraine-invasion-5225080.html If you have internal instability, a coup, then you get into a place where there are a lot of uncertainties and things you could have never predicted nor are in your and maybe even the leadership of Russia’s control. At that point is when I would be (very) concerned, i.e. all bets are off.

But the idea that it ends all life is a far stretch especially outside of those countries that were each others targets.


113 posted on 10/29/2023 9:41:45 PM PDT by Red6
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To: steve86

Iran has been within a year of developing a nuke for 25 years. 🙄. Making a bomb is one thing. Down sizing it to fit on an ICBM is a totally different deal. They don’t have that.

What they do have is a chit ton of silk worms so they could wreak some havoc on naval vessels in the gulf. That could actually happen. Conceivably they could block the straits.


114 posted on 10/29/2023 10:26:38 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: PeterPrinciple

BINGO


115 posted on 10/30/2023 1:05:04 AM PDT by griffin (When you have to shoot, SHOOT; don't talk. -Tuco)
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To: know.your.why

BS

Believe in human made climate change too?


116 posted on 10/30/2023 1:06:38 AM PDT by griffin (When you have to shoot, SHOOT; don't talk. -Tuco)
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To: logi_cal869

Half life of nuc fuel is different than that of warheads. Airblasts produce little atmospheric debris. Relax. Plan. You can survive.


117 posted on 10/30/2023 1:10:18 AM PDT by griffin (When you have to shoot, SHOOT; don't talk. -Tuco)
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To: know.your.why

Take a deep breath, relax, and read.... It will be ok.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_War_Survival_Skills


118 posted on 10/30/2023 1:21:18 AM PDT by griffin (When you have to shoot, SHOOT; don't talk. -Tuco)
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To: Red6

Nice contribution. Thanks! Right on.


119 posted on 10/30/2023 1:34:59 AM PDT by griffin (When you have to shoot, SHOOT; don't talk. -Tuco)
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To: devere

The guy’s big on global warming too... I’m giving it a pass.


120 posted on 10/30/2023 2:05:58 AM PDT by GOPJ (The reason Biden won't protect our border is he wants cash kickbacks for doing it. )
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