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VOTE: Do you trust your elected leaders to pass legislation to keep your community safe?
KTUL Tulsa ^

Posted on 10/23/2023 8:22:56 AM PDT by LouAvul

Do you trust your elected leaders to pass legislation to keep your community safe? Vote in the poll above or by clicking here.


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To: frogjerk
I would have to disagree to a degree-and this is not full disagreement-we know that defense of our country is part of the Constitutionally codified duties, so they are not doing their job on the borders. They are allowing criminals and our enemies to freely enter our border, and adding further insult, are using federal monies and resources to distribute them around the country.

And, that is against the legally drawn up legislation that makes laws in our Federal Register, completely ignored.

Second, as citizens in this republic, we pay local and state taxes, where on our state Constitution it says the following:

"...The chief and other police officers of all cities and towns shall have all the powers and duties of constables except serving and executing civil process. They shall suppress and prevent all disturbances and disorder. They may carry within the commonwealth such weapons as the chief of police or the board or officer having control of the police in a city or town shall determine; provided, that any law enforcement officer of another state or territory of the United States may, while on official business within the commonwealth, carry such weapons as are authorized by his appointing authority. They may examine all persons abroad whom they have reason to suspect of unlawful design, and may demand of them their business abroad and whither they are going; may disperse any assembly of three or more persons, and may enter any building to suppress a riot or breach of peace therein. Persons so suspected who do not give a satisfactory account of themselves, persons so assembled and who do not disperse when ordered, and persons making, aiding and abetting in a riot or disturbance may be arrested by the police, and may thereafter be safely kept by imprisonment or otherwise unless released in the manner provided by law, and taken before a district court to be examined and prosecuted..."

I have no doubt there is similar documentation at my local level in my town. So, I am paying taxes at the Federal, State, and local levels to guarantee the safest possible community due to the tax money I pay. It is part of their job.

That said, I believe we are in agreement that the way things are now, where safety of our communities are being actively ignored. I only disagree with the statement "Active participation by patriotic citizens does."

In my opinion, active participation helps, but cannot replace the jobs of the local, state, and federal levels in managing safety in our communities. It is a chain. And active participation, when it does help, cannot survive alone without expenditures of time and money, as it would if the Local State, and Federal agencies did what they SHOULD be doing.

21 posted on 10/23/2023 9:04:50 AM PDT by rlmorel ("If you think tough men are dangerous, just wait until you see what weak men are capable of." JBP)
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To: Robert DeLong

Not in Illinois. These bastards only make things worse.


22 posted on 10/23/2023 9:09:05 AM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: Bonemaker
I'm willing to bet that many of these no answers are coming from people who live in states other than Oklahoma. But even if they were all from Oklahoma, or a majority were, they are still responding no to the question. Oklahoma of course is one of the reddest states we are told, though their electing Asa Hutchinson kind of contradicts that claim, but they are still voting no to the question.

While you would vote no, do you think the majority of your fellow state residents in Illinois would vote no?

23 posted on 10/23/2023 9:18:28 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: Robert DeLong

A. Asa is Arkansas.
B. Majority of Illinois residents are Chicago/Cook County and far too ignorant/corrupt to even register on integrity scale. They would say everything is just fine with recent semi auto ban and elimination of cash bail,


24 posted on 10/23/2023 9:42:31 AM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: LouAvul

It’s not just keeping our communities safe. It’s too many people stretching our resources and they spend way too much of our money, or our debt, which may be more accurate, on “welcoming” them.


25 posted on 10/23/2023 10:24:50 AM PDT by virgil (The evil that men do lives after them )
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To: rlmorel
In my opinion, active participation helps, but cannot replace the jobs of the local, state, and federal levels in managing safety in our communities. It is a chain. And active participation, when it does help, cannot survive alone without expenditures of time and money, as it would if the Local State, and Federal agencies did what they SHOULD be doing.

Depends what active participation means. I would hope and dearly want those in the jobs you describe are Patriots Actively participating. I am not going to concede nor should those in the jobs you enumerate not be patriotic citizens aka actual public "servants". If they are not patriotic citizens they should not be hired and if already hired, fired at whatever the cost. Their continued employment puts the citizenry at risk.

And you are correct, I don't think there is a great disparity of our opinions, just definitions and clarity needed.

26 posted on 10/23/2023 12:48:10 PM PDT by frogjerk (More people have died trusting the government than not trusting the government.)
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To: frogjerk

I get your point...:)

Thank you.


27 posted on 10/23/2023 1:28:37 PM PDT by rlmorel ("If you think tough men are dangerous, just wait until you see what weak men are capable of." JBP)
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To: LouAvul

Actually, I prefer that elected leaders do nothing. That would be far better than the crazy stuff they’re doing now.


28 posted on 10/23/2023 1:48:57 PM PDT by NTHockey (My rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: LouAvul; All

Dumb question. They’ve all been bought off.


29 posted on 10/23/2023 3:41:09 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn’t common anymore)
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To: LouAvul

Nope. They built an arboretum that costs $20 to visit, a walking trail that no one should traverse without an AR-15 slung over their shoulder, a dog park, a compost site nearly on top of a natural gas field, hack-prone traffic lights…

You know what I do have? A MC club took over a bar and now the droves of pimps don’t hang around that stretch of highway any more.


30 posted on 10/23/2023 3:57:21 PM PDT by Patriot777 ("When you see these things begin to happen, look up, for your redemption draweth nigh.")
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