Posted on 09/16/2023 3:07:53 PM PDT by CottonBall
This is an ongoing thread – meaning come back to chat, post information, or ask questions any time. Hopefully the thread won’t stagnate and I’ll do better at posting weekly (or bi-weekly) topics than I have in the past. (anyone willing to post a topic now and then we'll be highly praised and appreciated).
We are in for some bumpy rides, and prepping can only help. If for peace of mind, if nothing else. We have a wonderful gardening thread and a current-events survival/prepping thread, and hopefully this one can piggyback off of those, maybe having a longer discussion about certain topics or … whatever. It's your thread, do what you like with it! (civilly, of course)
Here are granny’s threads, if anyone wants to peruse them:
nw_arizona_granny’s Thread #1
nw_arizona_granny’s Thread #2
nw_arizona_granny’s Thread #3
A Survival Knife Can Make All the Difference
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/4218096/posts
”You also need to look at functionality. Ask yourself what features are going to be important to you in the field.
This goes hand-in-hand with knowing what else you will have with you.
This also means you need to look at how much space you have.
My standard hiking/adventuring kit always includes matches, a compact flashlight, space-saving blanket, rope, water purifier and a small tarp.
I make sure I have a knife that compliments these items.”
Check out the article which lists and analysis by name, five specific types of camping , bushcraft, and survival knives.
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Senate Democrats Propose Bill That Would Criminalize Armed Church Security
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4218043/posts
h/t Tilted Irish Kilt for this and the previous article
“”If passed, the bill would make it illegal to “publicly patrol, drill, or engage in techniques capable of causing bodily injury or death.”
Power to enforce this law would be derived from the interstate commerce clause of the constitution,
as the proposed bill would be applicable whenever a church security team utilizes either weapons or ammunition
that have “traveled in interstate or foreign commerce,” a clause that applies to nearly every weapon and round of ammunition in circulation.
Additionally, even the act of training to engage in an activity that could cause bodily injury or death,
such as an active shooter drill, would be considered a violation of federal law under the proposal. “
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Denver’s hospitals are at risk of COLLAPSE because of migrant crisis, with one health system providing $17M of unpaid care in just three months
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4218060/posts
h/t to metmom
“Denver’s hospitals are at risk of collapsing due to out-of-control immigration, with one healthcare system providing $17 million in free care in just three months.
It comes as the Colorado city’s Mayor Mike Johnston warns he’s had to cut DMV and Parks & Rec funding ‘in the face of the migrant crisis’.
Struggling UCHealth was given $17 million from other hospitals, including $10 million from University Colorado Hospital, to help care for 5,800 undocumented patients between November and January, according to the Denver Post.
Medics believe these patients are mostly - if not entirely - migrants, because the data covers people who don’t have a Social Security number or health insurance and were seeking healthcare in the US for the first time.
And this figure is only the tip of the iceberg. It excludes migrants who had sought care from the system before or those who qualified for emergency Medicaid, which covers undocumented patients in labor or with some life-threatening conditions”
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And try to get free medical care as an American citizen.......
Ain’t happening.
Thanks for that link, I’m looking forward to reading it. Although we’ve already moved to our final location, shortly before the US population rearranged itself and found us. It might be time to move again.
Using Grocery-Store Mason Jars For Canning
I thought I would stir up a little controversy with this topic!
j/k, I just find it interesting. Below are a couple of excerpts from articles that I cut and pasted, but have long ago lost the links. So take anything in them with a grain of salt.
I’m not the author of either of these so if you have questions maybe we can figure out answers among ourselves.
Article 1 - using jars other than pasta mason jars for canning
In place of mason jars you can use other glass jars, such as ones that held commercial mayonnaise, provided that the mouths fit the two-piece mason jar caps. If you use such jars, though, expect more failed seals and occasional jar breakage, since these jars have narrower rims and are less tempered. Some people use mayonnaise jars for pickles and jams, and reserve their mason jars for pressure canning, which puts more stress on the glass.”
North Dakota Extension agrees. You can use them for water bathing, but avoid for pressure canning:
Some people like to re-use glass mayonnaise or salad dressing jars. The National Center for Home Food Preservation says that is OK if new two-piece lids are used. However, they have a narrower sealing surface and are tempered less than Mason jars, so expect more seal failures and breakage when reusing jars that once held commercial products. Don’t process mayo jars in a pressure canner, though.”6
Article 2 - using pasta mason jars for canning (I liked this one because of all the math. However wait alone is probably fairly useless, it’s the quality and the tempering of the glass that matters. And like the article said above, something about the rim and how the lids fit. I’ve never used pasta jars myself for canning.)
So I gathered up some jars of each brand and repeated the numbers. For reference I weighed each jar, empty (obviously) on my kitchen scale in grams. The scale is an “Escali” brand. Sorry, no $5,000 dollar lab scale. I think for our purposes it will do just fine.
I weighed Ball, Golden Harvest, Kerr and Classico/Atlas Mason.
Ball Pint: 240 g.
Ball Quart: 442 g.
Ball Half Gallon: 709 g. (just for fun )
GH Pint: 239 g.
GH Quart: 397 g.
Kerr Pint: 262 g.
Kerr Quart: 379 g.
As you can see, each brand is different.. Now for the difference between a Pint and a Quart (in the respective brand):
Ball: 202 g.
GH: 158 g.
Kerr: 117g.
The average difference being 159 g.
So.. when you go from pint UPTO a quart, the jars do not increase in weight by 100%. Which is what I would expect, or darn close. So with each brand, when increasing in glass weight, from pint to quart:
Ball: 84% (pretty good)
GH: 66%
Kerr: 44% (what? yes I double checked this number)
So, essentially the Kerr brand jars, don’t increase by even half.
So, I decided to estimate what a 1 1/2 pint (Atlas Mason size) would theoretically weigh, based on the law of averages. So if the “brand” made a 1 1/2 pint it should weigh:
Ball: 341 g.
GH: 319 g.
Kerr: 321 g.
The average between those is 327 g.
Ok, where does that leave us? The Classico/Atlas Mason pint and a half or 1 1/2 pint (whichever you prefer) weighs:
363 g.
Far more then what the average should be. On another note it weighs almost as much as the Kerr Quart. Weighing only 16 g. less. It weighs 34 grams less then a Golden Harvest brand.
Just for fun, and not included in the picture I also weighed a Classico/Atlas Mason quart. It weighs 458 g. That is more then any other brand of quart I have.
So there you have it. On averages, the Atlas Mason jar weighs more then it needs to based on the weight of the glass. I realize that this is not the most scientific test... I do feel though that they don’t want us to use the jars for misc. legal reasons, and to sell more empty jars.
I find it hard to beleive that these jars are not acceptable for home use. And if im not mistaken at one time these jars WERE available from Jarden Home brands. Which makes all of these brands. Essentially they fell out of favor due to the odd size. Jarden did have an FAQ that stated if the consumer interest was high enough, they would make them available again for consumer purchase. That is yet to be seen.
I have zero intentions to stop using the Atlas Mason jars. You candecide for your self.
Oh yeah, remember I said that the Atlas weighs 34 g. less then the GH Quart? Just how much, in weight, is 34 g.? I took a picture of a salad fork from my kitchen drawer. It weighs 32 g. Keep that in mind.
” Classico/Atlas Mason”
We use them every year for water bath tomatoes.
Works good never had a problem sometimes it is better to have that smaller jar on hand for whatever you are cooking than a full quart.
Many years ago, when I was a teen and helped my mom with canning, we ALWAYS used the glass mayonnaise jars even though it was recommended against.
At some point, they changed the size of the mouth of the jar and the canning lids did not work very well, if at all. We never had issues with those jars breaking but did with the actual canning jars breaking.
I found the same.
“sometimes it is better to have that smaller jar on hand for whatever you are cooking than a full quart.”
with just 2 of us now, there’s very few items that we use up in a quart jar. So I see what you’re saying!
“We never had issues with those jars breaking but did with the actual canning jars breaking.”
Now that’s interesting. I don’t even remember mayonnaise coming in class, so it must have been a bit ago. I’ll have to take a look at my pickle jars as I use them up, and see if any have the right size mouth for canning lids. That’s about the only thing I get that has glass jars
Great Post!
Thanks for taking the time to do such a detailed analysis and sharing your findings on the prepper thread.
Two things I might add:
Factory jars such as Classico pasta jars have already been through the heating and cooling down process to preserve the contents.
So we can say that the individual jars we reuse have already successfully passed the test of the lids sealing and the glass jar itself surviving the heating and cooling process without breaking.
Secondly, as most How-To-Preserve books advise, the best technique to minimize breakage with all jars is too avoid sudden drastic changes in temperature that places stress on the glass.
Do not put cold jars full of cold food into boiling hot water.
Bringing the jars slowly up to temperature gives the glass time to adjust to high temperatures and avoids stress cracks.
“So we can say that the individual jars we reuse have already successfully passed the test of the lids sealing and the glass jar itself surviving the heating and cooling process without breaking”
This is a duh moment, slapping my forehead thinking ‘of course!’
And I’m sure the USDA guidelines for their canning aren’t any different than for our canning.
“the best technique to minimize breakage with all jars is too avoid sudden drastic changes in temperature that places stress on the glass.”
true!! I’ve been much better to my jars since I got the tattler lids. Those aren’t near as idiot proof as metal lids, and I’ve had to be really careful with temperature changes. In other words, they forced me to go back to the original canning instructions and do it right.
That is an Incredibly detailed search. I’m very visual so I like the update with the blacked out counties each time.
The only part I wasn’t sure of was where it showed New England having hardly any violent crime but the South looking like a war zone.
The final results surprised me, I was sure most of the places would be in Idaho or Montana or north dakota.
It didn’t take into account one of my biggest requirements when we were looking where to move to, how people vote. I wanted to be surrounded by like-minded people. Certainly wouldn’t be in colorado. But Highland County Virginia is just a skip and a jump from where we ended up.
Early 70’s...
VT, NH, and ME are all Constitutional carry states and whiter than white.
For now.
It's upside down, isn't it.
Must be old data from before liberals brought us into "The Age Of Diversity".
Or data that is intentionally skewed by the federal government.
Everyone knows the highest crime areas are the democrat run large cities - even though the media works very hard to cover it up.
“VT, NH, and ME are all Constitutional carry states”
I didn’t know that, very surprising! Other than NH, who has a rebellious streak.
I guess we could have moved to one of those states.
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