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The primaries are over before they even begun.

As I've said repeatedly on this forum, I live in the real world and not in fantasyland.

Well, here's the real world slapping us all in the face. The GOP nomination belongs to Donald Trump.

That's just how it is.

1 posted on 09/08/2023 9:20:57 PM PDT by Drew68
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“Ron DeSantis is the better man. But the nomination now belongs to Donald Trump”
If this is what you need to say to stop doing Jack Smith’s work and start focusing on the bigger picture, fine - welcome to the fight for the survival of America.


108 posted on 09/09/2023 3:08:31 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Freedom is never free. It must be won rewon and jealously guarded.)
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Ronnie has proven he is not the better man either. He is beholden to change his views or policies based upon what his big donors demand of him. That is utter weakness and just makes him like all other RINOs.


110 posted on 09/09/2023 3:23:55 AM PDT by joma89 (Buy weapons and ammo, folks, and have the will to use them.)
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How is RD the “better man”? It’s easy to say that depending on the criteria you use. But if you choose other criteria, he isn’t.

Loyalty comes to mind. (But maybe that’s just me.)


112 posted on 09/09/2023 3:49:23 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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RDS is a man of action. He was my preferred candidate going in. Two thing turned me back to Trump.

RDS sold out to the neocon establishment for funding. For me, that made RDS just like Nikki Haley sans skirt.

His campaign influencers on social media made Trump voters the opponent and attacked the very people they needed to persuade to vote for RDS. They affectively pushed any Trump wary voters right back into Trump’s lap. I am one of the people they did this to.


113 posted on 09/09/2023 3:52:34 AM PDT by IamConservative (I was nervous like the third chimp in line for the Ark after the rain started.)
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Maybe the next MTS will show everything getting sane?
https://www.fiscal.treasury.gov/reports-statements/mts/current.html

I’m not holding my breath on this :(

9.7 trillion annual wages
32.9 trillion national debt
Short-term interest rates 5.50% and Long-term over 4%

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/BA06RC1A027NBEA
https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/datasets/debt-to-the-penny/debt-to-the-penny
https://home.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/interest-rates/TextView?type=daily_treasury_yield_curve&field_tdr_date_value_month=202309


114 posted on 09/09/2023 3:58:47 AM PDT by Degaston
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Unfortunately, America is past the point of hoping you will win if the RATs stay home.

The Democrats have come up with so many ways to rig the elections. They have been doing it to some degree for many years. But now, they really do not even bother to campaign which should be an obvious tell to anyone with a brain that they no longer spend any time trying to appeal to voters to win.

You can tell these silly polls put out that have Biden still in a dead heat with GOP opponents is a big pile of.

Biden is a disaster and everyone knows it, yet he can still get many more votes in record voting?

I don’t think so and the time has come to quit pretending that we can follow the rules as usual and expect the other side to do the same. They aren’t going to do that.


115 posted on 09/09/2023 4:29:44 AM PDT by dforest
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“I’m sticking with him because nobody else has the record of conservative accomplishments and stalwart executive leadership that he has repeatedly demonstrated. I look for action, not words.”

Can you inform us how his accomplishments of executive leadership, with a friendly legislature, which is how he accomplishes his objectives, compare to Donald Trump and his accomplishments in D C with a hostile legislature and the simultaneous hostility of the deeep state and the Federal government and the MSM?

And how do you explain the complete blindness of these forces who seek to destoy Trump, all the while not knowing that their real enemy is DeSants?

Or that DeSantis is backed by people, like Murdoch, who hate MAGA with a passion?


116 posted on 09/09/2023 4:35:11 AM PDT by odawg
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It seems to me like Ron D is just Trump lite…. Thats why his campaign is stuck in the mud. Ethically and philosophically they’re the same…. Trump however is a business man and outsider and DeSantis for all intents and purposes is not. He is establishments version of Trump. People are sick of the establishment.


121 posted on 09/09/2023 5:01:08 AM PDT by MrRelevant
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“The primaries are over before they even begun.”

When do they began? LOL!


125 posted on 09/09/2023 5:37:22 AM PDT by equaviator (If 60 is the new 40 then 35 must be the new 15.)
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A lot of people say RDS should have waited until 2028, but that's silly. He does not believe Trump can beat Biden so he chose to enter the 2024 race in an attempt to ensure Biden is defeated.

The truth is, Trump's allure is that he a giant middle finger to the media and to Washington DC, and people love that. They are not ready to give that up. But the truth also is, Trump will not beat Biden and we will be worse off for it. The only positive is that Trump will be gone once he loses in 2024. I just hope we can somehow hold Congress until 2028, but I don't know how likely that is either.

126 posted on 09/09/2023 5:38:34 AM PDT by thefactor
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First of all - this is a great thread/post. Honest opinions and good discussions.

“But Florida has a booming economy as well, with a record $22 billion surplus last year.”

I’m a Floridian. Florida has some major problems that Ron has not addressed. Ask someone in FL what they are paying for insurance. If the state has $22 billion surplus, maybe that should be used to help the people in FL to pay for their insurance.

Ask someone in FL about the traffic here. Wait till there is another mandatory evacuation of the state due to a hurricane. It won’t end well. And again, ask about vehicle insurance rates.

DeSantis was a congressman for 5 years. Did he do anything to stop the spending? Did he do anything to take a stand? He was pretty much an unremarkable congressman.

As a candidate, he is “stiff” (bobblehead). His wife is a detriment to his campaign, which is unusual. She’s very attractive but hard, very hard, to listen to or watch. She comes across as too “eager” to be 1st Lady (sort of like Jill Biden).

Others have mentioned that DeSantis requested that the legislature change the rules so he could run. That really was a slimy thing to do.

DeSantis PROMISED the voters in Florida he would serve out his term. That was a lie.


133 posted on 09/09/2023 6:13:48 AM PDT by Baldwin77 (Be not deceived, God is not mocked)
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I read recently that their “pollster” has worked for Trump, receiving big bucks from him. So, I’d take their poll with a grain of salt.


135 posted on 09/09/2023 6:20:36 AM PDT by PA Presbyterian (Never Surrender!)
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Someday DeSantis might be fit to be President...but *not* today. DJT has *proven* himself to be fit *today*.

Put down your crack pipe.

136 posted on 09/09/2023 6:28:17 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Two Words: BANANA REPUBLIC!)
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137 posted on 09/09/2023 6:29:15 AM PDT by Baldwin77 (Be not deceived, God is not mocked)
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The checks on your pants are showing. If DeSantis has a twenty-two billion dollar surplus, where is the sales tax reduction?


140 posted on 09/09/2023 6:40:57 AM PDT by steve8714 (Evidently the Oxford comma is racist, sexist, or homophobic. You decide which.)
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De Santis is the Bench.

De Santis on the bench is more candidacy than the democrats presently have


141 posted on 09/09/2023 6:45:14 AM PDT by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Joe Biden is a kleptocrat)
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He has no one to blame but himself. I’ve said it before, running against Trump for the nomination at this time was the most politically bone headed move in modern American political history.

Saying it doesn’t mean I hate the man, it’s simply an observation. There’s no way anyone other than Trump is going to win at this point.

L


142 posted on 09/09/2023 6:47:26 AM PDT by Lurker ( Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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Desantis is the better husband. But Melania is the better wife.


143 posted on 09/09/2023 7:01:25 AM PDT by nwrep
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The claim of “better man” needs definition - just like what does “good” mean?

IMHO - I liked him but now question him and his judgement, along with whom is influencing him. I no longer believe we have effective ‘representation’. We have ‘taxation without representation’ (which can only have the same result as last time). It shows very poor judgement to even think he could pass PDJT. He seems to have the establishment behind him, which really bothers me - it’s a huge red flag.

...similar for all the other candidates too. It’s “Trump or the status quo”...which isn’t tenable.


144 posted on 09/09/2023 7:23:14 AM PDT by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing of poor moral choices among everybody)
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DeSantis, so good nobody will vote for him. 😆


145 posted on 09/09/2023 7:53:29 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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