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Submarine Cables and the Rise of Mass Surveillance
Youtube ^ | Aug 16, 2023 | Johnny Harris

Posted on 08/28/2023 10:10:44 AM PDT by Robert DeLong

Interesting video detailing how all of the underground cables in the oceans allows for listening in on all communications passing through these myriad of submarined cables worldwide.

If nothing else, it's interesting just how many of these cables there are.

But, the bad part is there is no privacy anymore. The good thing is that it's makes keeping track of bad guys easier.


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To: Robert DeLong

“The good thing is that it’s makes keeping track of bad guys easier.”

The bad thing is who decides who those bad guys are.


21 posted on 08/28/2023 10:41:34 AM PDT by Do_Tar (I wish I was kidding.)
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To: fruser1

The good thing is not worth the bad part.


22 posted on 08/28/2023 10:44:18 AM PDT by A strike (Words can have gender, humans cannot.)
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To: Yo-Yo

that is why I said “cut all of these cables”

I understand that if only one cable was cut there would be rerouting, but if all were cut many countries would be without for a long time.


23 posted on 08/28/2023 10:46:06 AM PDT by algore
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To: Signalman

Would that be “Avalon and Mystic”???


24 posted on 08/28/2023 10:47:43 AM PDT by Big Red Badger (The Truman Show)
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To: Do_Tar

True dat.


25 posted on 08/28/2023 10:48:48 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: dinodino

Apparently they can tap into them without going under the water at all. now.


26 posted on 08/28/2023 10:50:35 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: alternatives?

With the right equipment, I would assume so.


27 posted on 08/28/2023 10:51:46 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: fruser1

Technology is always a double-edged sword. But that is why elections are important, though far too many people seem to view them as a game. It’s no game at all. I wish some would grow up & learn that fact.


28 posted on 08/28/2023 10:55:02 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: Lurker

That arena is principally open to state actors only.


29 posted on 08/28/2023 10:55:55 AM PDT by Noumenon (You're not voting your way out of this. KTF)
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To: rlmorel

Yeah, I could see where that would shock that person when first viewed. 🤣


30 posted on 08/28/2023 11:00:42 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: Robert DeLong

Only the data that isn’t end to end encrypted.


31 posted on 08/28/2023 11:01:01 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: kiryandil
Yes. When the Information Age dawned I was naive enough to expect it to usher in an Age of Enlightenment, when education and Truth would become available to all the people of the world.

Was I in for a shock!

Somehow I overlooked its potential for propaganda and totalitarianism!

Millions of Americans have been persuaded to support the most dangerously corrupt government in US history! America has never been in greater danger, even in times of war. America now teeters on the brink of coup d'état and tyranny, and millions of Americans simply acquiesce to the extremes of manipulation, treachery, corruption, criminal behavior, and confusion.

Instead of a New Age of Enlightenment, the Information Age seems to have ushered in George Orwell's nightmare!

32 posted on 08/28/2023 11:05:42 AM PDT by Savage Beast (Go to see Sound of Freedom. Encourage everyone you know to see it.)
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To: Yo-Yo

Note that your map shows the large bandwidth between Asia and US, as well as Europe and US, while bandwidth between Asia and Europe is limited.

During the time of day when Asia and Europe traffic peaks, there is relatively limited Asia - US and US - Europe traffic.

It is also nighttime in the US, so our east-west fiber links
across the US are idle.

To use the otherwise unused capacity, Asia and Europe traffic is transited via the US. This also gives NSA a fine opportunity to monitor it.

Note that most traffic between Asia and Latin America, as well as traffic between Europe and Latin America also transits nodes on the US east and west coasts.


33 posted on 08/28/2023 11:08:45 AM PDT by FarCenter
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To: Noumenon

Yep. I’ve got some small scale fiber splicing gear I use for work occasionally. The maximum capacity is four strands at a time. It takes about an hour or so to do it properly, for me anyway.

Cut, clean, heat, splice, test, and repeat. I can’t imagine how long it would take to do a 96 strand cable while underwater. You’d need a purpose designed clean room that would fit in a submarine.

Then there’s the not small issue of someone noticing that there’s no traffic on that extremely valuable asset for the length of time it takes to actually do it. That alone would set off multiple alarms.

Can it be done? Yea, I’m sure it can be. But pulling it off would be incredibly difficult.

L


34 posted on 08/28/2023 11:09:11 AM PDT by Lurker ( Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: Robert DeLong

When we have another world war with peer adversaries most of the undersea data cables will be cut and satellites will be falling out of the sky like raindrops.


35 posted on 08/28/2023 11:09:34 AM PDT by wildcard_redneck (The Forever War is a crime against humanity)
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To: Yo-Yo

You map still shows a relatively minor number of cables to cut and there are peer adversaries that could pull off the feat of cutting every one of them.


36 posted on 08/28/2023 11:12:51 AM PDT by wildcard_redneck (The Forever War is a crime against humanity)
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To: glorgau

Even encrypted packets are captured. It then takes the effort to try and decrypt it.


37 posted on 08/28/2023 11:13:49 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: FarCenter
while bandwidth between Asia and Europe is limited.

The map is of undersea cables, not all cables. Europe and Asia are connected by land.

38 posted on 08/28/2023 11:14:22 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /Sarc tag really necessary? Pray for President Biden: Psalm 109:8)
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To: mikey_hates_everything

I never could enjoy Gilligan’s Island because they were just so damn dumb. A troupe of syphilitic apes could’ve gotten off that island faster.

It is hard to emphasize with stupid people.


39 posted on 08/28/2023 11:15:28 AM PDT by wildcard_redneck (The Forever War is a crime against humanity)
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To: wildcard_redneck
You map still shows a relatively minor number of cables to cut and there are peer adversaries that could pull off the feat of cutting every one of them.

Cutting one or a dozen cables simply causes traffic to get re-routed around the break. You'd have to cut them all. At that point, I'd think that someone in the government would notice link after undersea link going down and might become curious enough to investigate.

40 posted on 08/28/2023 11:16:04 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /Sarc tag really necessary? Pray for President Biden: Psalm 109:8)
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