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Submarine Cables and the Rise of Mass Surveillance
Youtube ^ | Aug 16, 2023 | Johnny Harris

Posted on 08/28/2023 10:10:44 AM PDT by Robert DeLong

Interesting video detailing how all of the underground cables in the oceans allows for listening in on all communications passing through these myriad of submarined cables worldwide.

If nothing else, it's interesting just how many of these cables there are.

But, the bad part is there is no privacy anymore. The good thing is that it's makes keeping track of bad guys easier.


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1 posted on 08/28/2023 10:10:44 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: Robert DeLong
Or read the book Blind Man's Bluff.
2 posted on 08/28/2023 10:12:51 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /Sarc tag really necessary? Pray for President Biden: Psalm 109:8)
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To: Robert DeLong

Tapping a fiber optic bundle isn’t quite so simple.


3 posted on 08/28/2023 10:12:56 AM PDT by dinodino ( Cut it down anyway. )
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“Tapping a fiber optic bundle isn’t quite so simple.”

It’s not easy on land in a controlled environment. On the sea floor? That increases the difficulty by several orders of magnitude. Not saying it can’t be done, of course.

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4 posted on 08/28/2023 10:16:39 AM PDT by Lurker ( Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: Robert DeLong

Actually, the bad part is totalitarianism.


5 posted on 08/28/2023 10:17:03 AM PDT by fruser1
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To: Robert DeLong

VPNs can make this all okay.


6 posted on 08/28/2023 10:20:14 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: Robert DeLong

Reminds me of Operation “Ivy Bells” where the NSA/CIA/USN
wiretapped the undersea cable located between the Soviet Pacific Fleet naval base at Petropavlovsk on the Kamchatka Peninsula to the Soviet Pacific Fleet’s mainland headquarters at Vladivostok. They did this utilizing a submarine and USN divers.

The Soviets had no idea we were tapping the cable until an NSA civilian employee who was also fluent in Russian, Ronald Pelton, entered the Soviet Embassy in D.C. in 1980 and told them all about it. For a price of course. Pelton was, at the time, $65K in debt. A lot of money in 1980.

Pelton was eventually caught and sentenced to a long stretch in prison. The Soviets located the tap and dismantled it.


7 posted on 08/28/2023 10:22:05 AM PDT by Signalman
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To: Robert DeLong
The good thing is that it's makes keeping track of bad guys easier.

President Donald Trump is a "bad guy", according to the illegitimate Tater junta.

8 posted on 08/28/2023 10:23:00 AM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: Yo-Yo
Or read the book Blind Man's Bluff.

I read it when it was released - it showed the good, the bad, and the ugly - I recommend it to all folks who have an interest in technical espionage.

9 posted on 08/28/2023 10:23:12 AM PDT by mjustice (Apparently common sense isn't so common.)
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To: Yo-Yo

if a bad actor were to cut all of these cables really bad things would happen.

I remember when one got cut by a ship anchor and it screwed up the internet for the country it connected to for the months it took to fix.

if you were to cut each one in several places in deep water they might not even be able to fix it


10 posted on 08/28/2023 10:23:14 AM PDT by algore
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11 posted on 08/28/2023 10:23:28 AM PDT by al baby (I know its the way the measure the cooling capability )
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To: Robert DeLong

“The good thing is that it’s makes keeping track of bad guys easier.”

Are there any good guys that can listen in?


12 posted on 08/28/2023 10:24:38 AM PDT by alternatives?
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To: Signalman

NSA wised up since then—and started focusing on tapping physical devices at the manufacturer level and software at the developer level as well as “monkey in the middle” tactics.

If folks want privacy they need to stick to dogs and cats.


13 posted on 08/28/2023 10:24:42 AM PDT by cgbg ("Creative minds have always been known to survive any kind of bad training." Anna Freud.)
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To: Robert DeLong

Telecommunication has relied on cables since the start. And yes that means somebody can listen in. Of course even via satellite (which is taking over a lot, cables are insanely expensive) somebody can still listen in.

Here’s the basic math: if your communication goes through somebody’s hardware they can listen in.


14 posted on 08/28/2023 10:26:39 AM PDT by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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To: algore
if a bad actor were to cut all of these cables really bad things would happen.

Not as bad as you might think. One of the strengths of the Internet is that there are multiple pathways that data packets can take. Cut an Atlantic line joining North America and Europe, and the traffic will be rerouted to another cable from North America to South America to Africa to Europe.


15 posted on 08/28/2023 10:27:26 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /Sarc tag really necessary? Pray for President Biden: Psalm 109:8)
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To: ConservativeMind

VPNs just make it harder for them to know they’re listening to you. They can still listen plenty though.


16 posted on 08/28/2023 10:27:50 AM PDT by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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To: Yo-Yo

Great book! I loved the part where the sailor looking at the camera footage as they were looking for the cable to change the tap on, had to look, with hour after hour of excruciating boredom with no visible features on the ocean floor, when all of a sudden the skull of some cow came into view and scared the crap out of the guy...it had been placed on top of the tap by a previous crew...:)


17 posted on 08/28/2023 10:29:51 AM PDT by rlmorel ("If you think tough men are dangerous, just wait until you see what weak men are capable of." JBP)
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To: Robert DeLong

Bkmrk


18 posted on 08/28/2023 10:33:32 AM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear ("Equity" = "All animals are equal. Some animals are more equal than others.")
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To: mjustice; Yo-Yo

I also enjoyed how they found the submarine cable-they just stuck the periscope up and looked for the signs on each shore that said something like DO NOT ANCHOR HERE-COMMUNICATION CABLE PRESENT and knew the cable stretched between them!


19 posted on 08/28/2023 10:35:33 AM PDT by rlmorel ("If you think tough men are dangerous, just wait until you see what weak men are capable of." JBP)
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To: al baby

Ah yes, the good ol’ days of long distance individual twisted copper pairs. If the Minnow gang wanted to get picked up faster, they should have just cut the cable in half and waited. Someone in a ship would have been along soon enough to repair it given the scope of the outage they would have caused.


20 posted on 08/28/2023 10:37:23 AM PDT by mikey_hates_everything
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