Posted on 08/06/2023 3:12:24 PM PDT by RoosterRedux
Washington is getting serious about reports of [UFO's], what the Pentagon now labels as unidentified aerial phenomena or UAPs. There is a long history of such sightings and the increase in such observations could be a sign of things to come.
[...]
Following that hearing a group of lawmakers asked the House speaker to form a committee to investigate government programs involving UAPs. Specifically, they requested "subpoena authority" to collect information [...] What are we to make of this news? Well, there are many reports of strange objects in the sky dating from ancient times.
Historian Josephus wrote of a mysterious spectacle that occurred over Israel in A.D. 70. "Chariots and troops of soldiers in their armour were seen running about among the clouds," wrote Josephus. There were numerous such events around the entire country as "armed battalions hurtling through the clouds" and with "great noise" causing "quakes." There are many other recorded events of unexplained UAPS over the past millennia.
More recently in America after World War II, the number of UFO sightings spiked, and as a result our government formed a number of task forces to investigate. Perhaps the best-known incident occurred in 1947 when Roswell Army Air Field personnel recovered debris from a "flying disc." However, in 1994 a U.S. Air Force report concluded the debris was from a top-secret nuclear test surveillance balloon.
UFOs/UAPs have long fascinated humanity. Unfortunately, we don’t understand such events.
I don’t dismiss the possibility we are being visited by aliens. Further, I’m quite aware there are things my five senses (sight, smell, touch, taste and hearing) can’t understand, and they may be real like radio waves. For example, I believe there is a very real spiritual domain beyond our senses. You can call them aliens, angels, demons or other.
(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...
“The thing about being contacted by angels is how do you know they are angels? Perhaps they aren’t angels at all but just pretending to be. Perhaps they are demons...or just aliens.”
I suppose it would depend wholly on what your own perspective would be.
‘Kundalini and Siva’
I’m going to dig deeper into This !
It's like a judge throwing out certain evidence in a case merely because it appears to complicate the crime. The point is, the mystery in question may be much more complicated than it first appears. Throwing out or ignoring evidence just makes the crime/mystery more difficult to solve.
As a lot of folks (Semivan and John Ramirez being two) have claimed, this matter of UFO's is extraordinarily complicated. It isn't about nuts and bolts UFO's.
Some people have even said, it's about consciousness...but consciousness isn't what we think it is.
Totally agree! Nothing but politics.
Weinstein's observation is a home run of clarity!
Thanks for that.
That is worth studying!
The Lady.
“like a judge throwing out certain evidence in a case merely because it appears to complicate the crime.”
My view—as you know—is the analogy would be the judge throwing out certain evidence to protect the guilty.
People who are not religious in a Judeo/Christian way would see things in a much different light. I'm a devout Christian, but I realize it is a matter of faith.
Do you know who John Ramirez is? The retired CIA officer who has been the subject of many UFO podcasts?
He has a very interesting take on all of this. He is a spiritualist/occultist. So BTW is Jim Semivan (also formerly of the CIA) who has spent a lot of time working with Chris Bledsoe.
“Eric Weinstein (former MIT physicist) has made the claim that a lot of what passes as science nowadays, particularly in universities, is nothing but “politics.”
I fully agree with this, unfortunately the end goal is money over discovery. It has become a business. But even then business is not religion. Well it shouldn’t be, I suppose perpetual greed could be deemed as a religion. Especially when a Church/Faith makes income a priority and operates for profit as a business.
Actually, that's probably more the case than what I suggested.
That said, I know a lot of people involved (not from the government) who prefer to stay away from what they call "the Woo" for relatively innocent reasons (they believe it complicates an already extremely complicated and scary issue).
“I know a lot of people involved (not from the government) who prefer to stay away from what they call “the Woo” for relatively innocent reasons (they believe it complicates an already extremely complicated and scary issue).”
The problem is that saying “we don’t know what it is” when you are just afraid to talk about what it is—well, that is a good time to sit down and stay quiet.
When I tell my Marxist and secular humanist friends their ideology is a religion, they get mad with me. But it is still a matter of faith in that it hasn't been proven to achieve its desired objective. Actually, to the contrary, it has been proven to be a consistent failure.
I remember when you described how the Indians in Virginia or Massachusett might have felt when they first saw the white mans' sailboats offshore as being magical white clouds blown along by the wind (your phrase was more eloquent but I can't remember it). The Indians had no frame of reference for what was about to happen.
I think we are in the same position.
There are folks who know a lot more than they are saying—though you may not find them credible.
Imho we are dealing with a wide range of aliens—so there is no one explanation for all contacts.
However—when we get down to specific cases there are very specific explanations.
I am very comfortable I know what the grays are about, what the tall whites are about, what the reptilians and the reptoid subset are about etc.
I am also comfortable that I have a layman’s understanding of how the “laws of physics” are broken by the aliens—as well as a laundry list of other technologies they have—and the “hand-me-downs” they have shared with the human Cabal.
It is not credible to me that those who claim to be “experts” have not done the research to verify this same information.
It is only a “secret” to those who don’t want to do the work—or refuse to believe those who have done it.
Because most of what is claimed about the many different species of aliens cannot be backed up by evidence or corroborating information that I can test, I have a tremendous amount of difficulty in assessing the claims themselves and/or the credibility of those making such claims.
As I have told you previously, I approach this the same way I would an investment opportunity for my firm. Reserving judgment doesn't mean that I believe what these people are saying is untrue. There just isn't enough supportable information for me to draw a solid conclusion at this time.
Ergo, I can't say that I know what we are dealing with.
“I contend that Leftist ideology is a kind of religion.”
I agree with this deduction. Any mass psychological trend that is rooted in myth, illogical irrationality, and emotion could be deemed a religion.
I'm not a trusting person. Just because people (even scientists) do the work, doesn't mean that their conclusions are correct.
If we were dealing with mathematics, I would take their equations and try to prove them myself.
Of course, this isn't mathematics, so I can't do anything other than either take them at their word or withhold judgment.
Since I have no way of proving the claims of these people (not even a backdoor, back-of-the-envelope, or improvised way), I have to withhold judgment.
You’re right, of course.
“UAP” is a “UFO” with a press agent.
___________________________________
LOL I’ll have to remember that. You win the thread prize
I have no problem with with-holding judgement—but we have to be very careful with what we accept as valid data and what we reject.
Anecdotes (aka human experience) is a valid method of perception (even if there are some liars and fakers in the database).
While I do not believe that every single utterance of the “secret space program” whistleblowers is valid I am convinced that the “big picture” they present is “true enough” that “we don’t know” is a cop-out at this point.
I am reading a fascinating book, NY Times #3, “THE RETURN OF THE GODS”.
The Gods were real, existed among humans, they influenced and were adored. (There shall be no other Gods before me”). Upon the arrival of Christ, minds began changing, Christianity took root and the “Demon Gods” could no longer survive without power, they disappeared. BUT the door wasn’t completely closed. Once again as people began pulling away from God, the demon Gods were able to begin to thrive and gain a foothold, which is where we are today. The book claims these Gods in earthly form are in government, religion and education……….
When I say "I don't know," here's what I mean (in part, not whole)--these are the questions I can't answer:
I have a million other questions with more popping up each day.
I think it's pretty safe to say that our pilots are seeing something and, for that matter, that our military-industrial complex has possession of something and they have had some success in reverse engineering such (but that is not a foregone conclusion or at least the degree to which reverse engineering has occurred is not a foregone conclusion).
I think it's safe to say that abduction accounts are real (or some kind of incredibly complex hallucinations), but, that said, are the accounts reasonably accurate or are the abductees being deceived by their abductors. And are the beings that the abductees speak of real or are they projected images serving as a facade to hide a different group of beings who aren't ready to reveal themselves?
Here's the thing. The more I think about this, the more questions arise. Eventually, I realize that there's infinitely more that I don't know than I do.
That's when I have to admit to myself that I don't know what's going on here.
Now after all the above, what are we to make of the statements by people like Haim Eshed, who used to head Israel's Defense Ministry's space directorate. As you may recall, he told the Israeli newspaper Yediot Aharonot that extraterrestrials from a "galactic federation" have been in contact with human beings but do not want the public to know as they feel our species is not ready yet.
Now where the hell does that fit into the equation.
Bottom line: "I do not know what we are dealing with here."
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.