Doctor Who Experienced Afterlife Says It Was Like Plato’s World of Ideals

Greek Reporter ^ | July 9, 2023 | James Ssengendo

[Churchillspirit]

Very thought-provoking post. Thank you.

[tired&retired]

That is absolutely wonderful.

I invite the Holy Spirit into me daily in prayer.

Rejecting the Holy Spirit is the only unforgivable sin.

It is the “Helper Spirit.” It is Higher Consciousness coming to a lower level. I feel it, hear it, and see it as a Liquid Light.

I’ve watched it cleanse the souls of people who are dying when they pray.

🙏

[RoosterRedux]

I invite the Holy Spirit into me daily in prayer.

Same here. And I carry on a continuous conversation with Him.

[cgbg]

“If you look at a large number of these experiences, there is a lack of symmetry to the entire data set.”

From what I have read there is a pattern of “what you give is what you get”.

Christians see Christian figures and icons, Hindus see Hindu figures and icons etc.

My conclusion is that most folks are telling the truth to the best of their ability—this is another “phenomenon” where it is hard to figure out what is happening because of our own belief systems.

[RoosterRedux]

Dats true.

The lack of symmetry I mentioned mostly comes into play when atheists come back to life believing in a range of New Age-ish religions. There must be a tunnel of light just for Democrats.

[cgbg]

I have read a fair amount on this topic.

If you focus on the similarities there are some common themes from folks of a wide variety of belief systems:

—Floating above their bodies—being able to see things that they could not see from their lying down position
—White light and “tunnel”
—Greeted by “something”—religious icons, figures, loved ones, others
—Life review—successes and failures

More controversial is the claim by many they reincarnated in some form. This doctrine is controversial not just because it is opposed by many belief systems but because the alleged “rules” for reincarnation seem to vary widely and appear to be self-contradictory. For example some advocates claim you can reincarnate as animals or aliens on distant planets—other insist you must reincarnate as a human. If you pay close attention to the literature there is also the issue of whether reincarnation must be backwards or forwards in time or both.

[RoosterRedux]

Same here. Read a massive amount and watch a ton of video testimonies over the years. Frankly had a difficult time separating the wheat from the chaff (stuck mostly with accounts that could be corroborated by someone present at the time of the OBE--usually a doctor or nurse).

The thing that bugs me about these accounts is the lack of empirical/rational care on the part of the person experiencing the NDE and the paranormal aspects of the experience itself.

I realize the people experiencing the NDE's are just everyday people, but their lack of deductive reasoning makes their testimony suspect even if it might be true.

[RoosterRedux]

My conclusion is that most folks are telling the truth to the best of their ability—this is another “phenomenon” where it is hard to figure out what is happening because of our own belief systems.

I agree. I think most folks believe they telling the truth.

The problem I have is that they still may not be reliable witnesses given the extraordinary nature of these experiences.

[Reily]

Taking them as they are I find the remote viewing accounts the most intriguing. However, it’s all still anecdotal. How do you do any empirical testing? Ask for volunteers to do a Near-Death-Experience and come back under some sort of instrumentation? Not likely!

[cgbg]

I think the only area where you and I differ on this is I am not sure what a “reliable witness” could be in these types of situations.

Everybody brings their beliefs/prejudices to the table.

My view is that their experiences are as good as we are going to get from homo sapiens.

The concept of “objective analysis of what is really happening” is a myth imho.

[RoosterRedux]

Yep. At least remote viewing can best tested if done somewhat locally (instead of describing a locale in remote Russia). I think some of the work that Russell Targ did with Ingo Swann was carefully tested.

All this stuff is pretty outrageous so I leave room for disbelief.;-)

[RoosterRedux]

Well, I don't exactly know who would make a reliable witness either, but I usually start with corroboration by a doctor or nurse present when the NDE occurred (corroboration of something that the experiencer could not have seen--in the ER for example--without an OBE).

And then I weigh the language and descriptions used by the person who actually experienced the NDE (if they were analytical in their observations, for example, and used precise language instead of vague descriptions).

I am always suspicious when people try to "sell" their experiences.

[cgbg]

There are some hucksters out there for sure but given the very large number of NDEs out there the self-promoting fraudsters are a statistical anomaly and just noise in what is mostly signal.

[RoosterRedux]

The concept of “objective analysis of what is really happening” is a myth imho.

This is exactly what makes a good witness in a trial. A person whose testimony is the result of careful analysis and observation is deemed more reliable than that of a person who isn't.

It's pretty easy to tell the difference.

That said, a witness who sounds reliable still may be wrong...and a person who sounds unreliable may be correct. So there's that.

[RoosterRedux]

Very true. But there are also a great number of "nuts" out there who honestly believe they are telling the truth.

I am suspicious by nature.

[Zionist Conspirator]

Well that's stupid.

[SunkenCiv]

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• NDE [FR keyword]
• neardeathexperience [FR keyword]

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[SunkenCiv]

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[Hildy]

There was a show called something like I survived or I came back.. and it was real life people talking about their death experiences...and for the most part, it all sounded the same. It was like this author says..some of the People did not even want to come back. But the most interesting one was this one guy who self admitted he had been a terrible person. Criminal.. the whole nine yards. His experience was one of going to hell. It was incredible the detail he described. I’m going to see if I can find it and post it here...

[Hildy]

The show is called ‘I SURVIVED....BEYOND AND BACK” It was mesmerizing.