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What happened to the missing Titan sub? These are the most likely scenarios
Global News ^ | By Michelle Butterfield Global News Posted June 21, 2023 1:04 pm Updated June 21, 2023 2:57 pm

Posted on 06/21/2023 1:27:46 PM PDT by Red Badger

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An extensive search-and-rescue has entered its third day trying to locate a submersible that went missing during a dive to the Titanic shipwreck, and time is running out.

Rescuers have been racing against the clock because even under the best of circumstances, the vessel, OceanGate Expedition’s Titan, could run out of oxygen as soon as Thursday morning.

A glimmer of hope came Wednesday morning, when the U.S. Coast Guard (USCG) said in a statement that a Canadian aircraft had detected noises underwater.

The statement did not elaborate on what rescuers believe the noises could be. In underwater disasters, a crew unable to communicate with the surface relies on banging on their submersible’s hull to be detected by sonar. However, no official has publicly suggested that’s the case and noises underwater can come from a variety of sources.

While it’s too early to say what has happened to the Titan, experts have offered insight into some of the most likely scenarios.

A power failure

According to OceanGate’s website, the Titan has an acoustic link with its surface vessel, the Canadian icebreaker Polar Prince, which communicates using a transponder on its end and a transceiver on the receiving end. This link allows for underwater acoustic positioning, and for short text messages to be sent between the two vessels — usually basic status information.

Given that the Titan is a battery-operated submersible and has lost all contact with its surface vessel, it may have lost power. While these types of vessels typically have an emergency backup power source, it’s unclear if the Titan had an independent battery.

OceanGate warned of potential ‘catastrophic’ problems with tourist submersible: NYT report A power failure is considered the best-case scenario for the 20,000-pound Titan. Experts have said that if the submersible’s inbuilt safety system is operating properly, there’s a chance the vessel could drop additional weight and return to the water’s surface.

Some have said there’s a chance that the Titan has surfaced and is bobbing on top of the water already, and it’s just a matter of time until it’s spotted by rescue crews.

The bad news is if the passengers are stranded on top of the water, they remain out of luck until someone finds them; as CBS News journalist David Pogue told the BBC, passengers are sealed inside the vessel’s main capsule with no way of getting out.

A view inside the Titan, with crew members from a previous expedition.View image in full screen A view inside the Titan, with crew members from a previous expedition. OceanGate Expeditions. He recalled from his close-up of the Titan last November that the passengers are sealed into the sub before they begin their expedition. Crews apply more than a dozen heavy bolts from the outside, which must be removed by an external crew in order to exit.

A tangled situation

There is also a chance that the Titan is snagged on something in the water — perhaps a piece of the shipwreck or a large fishing net.

The wreckage of the Titanic, which came to rest approximately four kilometres below the ocean’s surface, is a hazardous area with debris everywhere.

“There are parts of it all over the place. It’s dangerous,” said Frank Owen, a retired Royal Australian Navy official and submarine escape and rescue project director, in an interview with The Guardian.

Crews racing to find missing Titanic tourist submersible: ‘It would be a miracle if they’re recovered alive’ Because the vessel lost contact at one hour and 45 minutes into its trip, the crew may have been close to or at the bottom of the ocean, Owen said.

A failure in pressure

The worst-case scenario is that there has been a leak or damage to the Titan’s pressure hull.

Ian Ballantyne, the editor of International Warships Fleet Review magazine, told the U.K.’s Express publication that “if they suffered a hull rupture the craft and its occupants will likely have swiftly met their end.

“If the craft has retained hull integrity along with air plus power to maintain life support systems, there may be a chance … though submarine rescue beyond the continental shelf is unheard of even in the military,” he continued.

The Titan travels rough waters to get to a previous dive location. OceanGate Expeditions “If it has gone down to the seabed and can’t get back up under its own power, options are very limited,” said Alistair Greig, a professor of marine engineering at University College London.

“While the submersible might still be intact, if it is beyond the continental shelf, there are very few vessels that can get that deep, and certainly not divers.”

Pogue said the vessel’s resurfacing capabilities would be irrelevant if the sub became trapped or sprang a leak.

“There’s no backup, there’s no escape pod,” he said. “It’s get to the surface or die.”

A complex operation, regardless

In any scenario, the operation to locate and retrieve the Titan is complicated and faces a large set of factors that make it a difficult operation.

Because crews do not know if the vessel has surfaced, they must scour both the ocean’s surface and depths, which are both massive in terms of the search area.

Missing Titanic sub: ‘Improvised’ nature of vessel highlighted in 2022 CBS News segment

Chris Parry, a retired rear admiral with the British Royal Navy, told Sky News a seabed rescue was “a very difficult operation.”

“The actual nature of the seabed is very undulating. Titanic herself lies in a trench. There’s lots of debris around. So trying to differentiate with sonar in particular and trying to target the area you want to search in with another submersible is going to be very difficult indeed.”

The ocean’s temperature, weather and sea conditions and visibility above and below the water are also factors that can impact the search.

Aaron Newman, who has been a passenger on the Titan, told NBC’s Today that if the submersible is below a couple hundred metres and without power, the passengers are in complete darkness and it’s cold.

This Global News graphic shows the distance between St. John’s, N.L., and the last point of contact with Titan, an OceanGate Expeditions that went missing Sunday. Global News graphic “It was cold when we were at the bottom,” he said. “You had layered up. You had wool hats on and were doing everything to stay warm at the bottom.”

David Gallo, a senior advisor for strategic initiatives at RMS Titanic, told CNN that dwindling oxygen levels and fighting the cold were the primary concerns for the passengers’ safety at this point.

“The water is very deep — two miles-plus,” Gallo said. “It’s like a visit to another planet. It’s not what people think it is. It is a sunless, cold environment and high pressure.”

In addition to an international array of ships and planes, an underwater robot has begun searching in the vicinity of the Titanic and there is a push to get salvage equipment to the scene in case the sub is found.

Lost aboard the vessel is pilot Stockton Rush, the CEO of the company leading the expedition. His passengers are a British adventurer, two members of a Pakistani business family and a Titanic expert.


TOPICS: Health/Medicine; History; Military/Veterans; Travel
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To: C210N

What, do you think they were faking their own deaths?


101 posted on 06/21/2023 4:33:21 PM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: smokingfrog

Wonder if they are lithium batteries?


102 posted on 06/21/2023 4:50:52 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Procrastination is just a form of defiance.)
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To: pnz1
If it were drifting on surface, would it show up on radar or something?

I don't know. It would make it visible to aerial searches which could also include surveillance satellites.

103 posted on 06/21/2023 4:57:22 PM PDT by CommerceComet ("You know why there's a Second Amendment? In case, the government forgets the first." Rush Limbaugh )
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To: Red Badger

No escape pod, eh? Recreating the Titanic experience a bit too closely there IMO.


104 posted on 06/21/2023 5:14:57 PM PDT by FormerFRLurker ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"-Voltaire)
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To: Red Badger

A repetitive sound of approximately 15 thumping noises was heard, and searchers speculated that it was the sound of one of the passengers beating another passenger’s head against the floor of the submarine. (sarcasm)


105 posted on 06/21/2023 5:17:40 PM PDT by webheart
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To: Red Badger

Maybe the old guys killed themselves to let the kid have more air. How long could just one person survive in there?


106 posted on 06/21/2023 5:20:28 PM PDT by CathyWhite (Texas Proud Evertrumper)
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To: CathyWhite

Old guys are more inclined to kill the young ones. They are so irritating, and think they know so much.


107 posted on 06/21/2023 5:24:25 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: scrabblehack

You know one or more of the “victims” personally?

The news has put forth a LOT of lies in the last few years, from Covid to the “big lie”, which in of itself is a big lie.

Now I’m going to believe them on this sub thing?


108 posted on 06/21/2023 5:53:28 PM PDT by C210N (Everything will be okay in the end. If it’s not okay, it’s not the end.)
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To: fella

Sure, it is certainly worth millions and millions of taxpayer money and hazards to all the people involved to save the estates the inconvenience of being tied up 7 years.

You are a bigger and more altruistic man than I am charlie brown.


109 posted on 06/21/2023 5:56:16 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Procrastination is just a form of defiance.)
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To: Sequoyah101

I’m not in favor of the waste at all. I’m just pointing out that the families involved are very rich and powerful and politicians dance to their tune.


110 posted on 06/21/2023 6:46:41 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again," )
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To: fella

True enough but from the uk and pookistan?


111 posted on 06/21/2023 7:31:22 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Procrastination is just a form of defiance.)
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To: GingisK
I had thought about that. Without power, they would die from hypothermia well before they died from hypoxia. Ironically, that is what people who died on the Titanic died of. They froze to death in the icy waters........
112 posted on 06/22/2023 5:13:58 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: smokingfrog

Possibility. Complete loss of power. No steering. No heat. No light. Drifting with the current. Could be anywhere by now................


113 posted on 06/22/2023 5:22:34 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: DesertRhino

Yes, think fly and flyswatter...................


114 posted on 06/22/2023 5:23:47 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: George from New England

🤢😜🤦‍♂️...........................


115 posted on 06/22/2023 5:28:21 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: xxqqzz
About ten years ago I read 'Crush Depth' a sci-fi novel about future submarine warfare with subs that have ceramic hulls. ..........
116 posted on 06/22/2023 5:39:48 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: CathyWhite

96 more hours....................


117 posted on 06/22/2023 5:48:00 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: DesertRhino

But at least they can be proud of their high DEI score for not hiring 50 year old white guys who know what they are doing.


118 posted on 06/22/2023 6:45:58 AM PDT by nonliberal (Z.)
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To: Red Badger

Ironic the group on that song Timothy was The Buoys


119 posted on 06/22/2023 1:14:59 PM PDT by George from New England
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To: George from New England

Yep!................


120 posted on 06/22/2023 1:17:06 PM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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