Posted on 05/31/2023 8:18:27 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
Welcome to another Roman mystery this week, as always, I do concern myself that I don't get the initially idea across well on video hence the mini intro! I hope it all makes sense.
We Found a LOST Roman Town | 12:20
Paul and Rebecca Whitewick | 81.7K subscribers | 36K views | 6 months ago
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Transcript 0:00 · hi folks quick intro before I start this 0:03 · video proper sometimes when I do a lot 0:05 · of research for a video and I just chuck 0:07 · all these ideas down into a rough script 0:09 · I worry that it doesn't flow properly I 0:11 · think this video does but you're gonna 0:13 · have to pay attention because even I do 0:16 · when I watch it over again nevertheless 0:18 · this is me trying to find the lost Roman 0:21 · town of vindomi it appears on a Roman 0:23 · list a list being a journey from A to B 0:26 · in all the towns in between one of those 0:28 · towns is vindomio vindomis but nobody 0:32 · knows where it is this is my journey to 0:34 · try and find that lost Town using a lot 0:37 · of different sources a lot of different 0:38 · information so bear with it stick with 0:40 · it there's a lot going on enjoy the 0:42 · video Let's Roll the VT 0:49 · [Music] 0:54 · thank you 0:56 · on this channel we normally make videos 0:59 · about old routes whether it's an 1:02 · abandoned Canal Roman Road ancient 1:04 · trackway you name it 1:08 · [Music] 1:11 · but today we're going to do something we 1:13 · haven't done before today we're going to 1:15 · search for something static 1:17 · [Music] 1:19 · but in order to do that we need to look 1:23 · at the root because as is often the case 1:25 · the clues are in the journey 1:30 · [Music] 1:38 · welcome to the search for the Lost Roman 1:42 · town of indomie 1:48 · welcome 1:49 · [Music] 1:50 · now today's Journey Starts Here Farley 1:54 · Mount fully just to the uh West a few 1:57 · miles west of Winchester down there in 1:59 · the trees in the distance and right 2:01 · across the valley in front of us is a 2:03 · Roman Road that's route 45a and it went 2:06 · between Winchester and serum part of a 2:09 · bigger route we'll come to that shortly 2:11 · but Folly was built to commemorate a 2:14 · horse was a very curious name the horse 2:16 · was called beware chalk pit that's not a 2:20 · warning that's the name of the horse 2:23 · so 1735 and apparently the horse that 2:26 · was buried under here won a important 2:29 · race the owner a year before was riding 2:32 · the horse and it fell into a 25 foot 2:34 · deep chalk pit hence the name 2:38 · so back to Roman Rhodes 2:40 · I'll continue for your sanity and 2:42 · probably mine too to use the modern name 2:45 · for the Roman towns we're talking about 2:47 · my head just back down the hill towards 2:51 · the serum the Winchester route well our 2:55 · story actually doesn't start there for 2:57 · that we need to head all the way down to 2:59 · Exeter 3:04 · okay so I'm not actually gonna head all 3:06 · the way to Exeter instead we'll use some 3:09 · funky Graphics a bit like this this is a 3:13 · route between silchester in North West 3:15 · Hampshire all the way down to Exeter 3:18 · it has a number of important towns along 3:20 · its route we'll come to that shortly now 3:23 · Roman roads have numbers which are 3:25 · relatively new addition Ivan McGarry 3:27 · came up with a system similar to that 3:29 · used on Modern roads today but for the 3:32 · purpose of this video that doesn't 3:34 · really matter what does matter is how we 3:37 · know this route was actually a route 3:43 · foreign 3:44 · [Music] 3:48 · so the Romans used to use lists love a 3:51 · good list let's call them itineraries 3:54 · now one of these was of the Roman 3:56 · Emperor Antonius or Antonius 4:01 · I don't think it was specific to him but 4:03 · nevertheless it was a list of 4:06 · 225 Roots containing uh stopping places 4:10 · stations towns you name it now the most 4:14 · important part of that list to us here 4:16 · in the UK was the last 15 lists on the 4:20 · back end of that itinerary 4:23 · [Music] 4:24 · now whilst they aren't hugely 4:26 · comprehensive to the entire network in 4:28 · fact I think it only contained 25 of the 4:31 · known Roman roads in the UK they did 4:34 · list the mileage and the towns along 4:38 · that route 4:39 · that's where today's mystery comes into 4:42 · play the last route on that list of 15 4:46 · so list x v the road from silchester all 4:50 · the way down to Exeter 4:53 · now the fact that that route was on the 4:56 · end of the UK the British section and 4:59 · that in itself was on the end of the 5:01 · entire itinerary combined with the fact 5:04 · that it's probably been transcribed a 5:06 · few times since we're probably going to 5:08 · be looking for some mistakes and that is 5:10 · where today's mystery was born from 5:14 · so here is that itinerary transcribed 5:17 · once again this time well by me now I'm 5:21 · going to hide most of that for the 5:22 · moment so let's head to Exeter as we do 5:25 · that metaphorically of course let's have 5:27 · a look at one of the oldest maps in 5:29 · existence for yet more context this is 5:32 · the table 5:33 · puttinga a 13th century parchment copy 5:37 · of a Roman map and it's utterly 5:39 · beautiful and extremely not to scale 5:42 · just look at the scrolling I'm having to 5:44 · do to get to the far left end 5:51 · which interestingly and once again means 5:54 · the UK is not great in fact it's largely 5:57 · missing all we have left is a very 6:00 · smudged bit of Southern England so can 6:02 · this help us in any way 6:04 · [Music] 6:17 · yes it can indeed because interestingly 6:20 · it contains the last section of 6:23 · itinerary 15. the guitar sham or near 6:27 · Horizon to Exeter and lo and behold they 6:31 · both match the map itself says 15 15 6:34 · miles and the itinerary itself says 15 6:37 · miles that's brilliant so what's next 6:40 · well let's look at the whole route and 6:43 · I'll measure all of those distances 6:45 · between each town and compare them 6:48 · against the itinerary itself now bear in 6:50 · mind of course I said earlier it's 6:51 · smudged so it's going to have a few 6:53 · mistakes or at least we're expecting a 6:55 · few mistakes 6:56 · foreign 7:00 · make those calculations in the 7:02 · background just arrived at one of my 7:05 · favorite pieces of Roman Road which you 7:07 · can still see today because in the 7:08 · middle of an old Deer Park this is 7:10 · Connell nearly at the top of a chute 7:12 · Causeway where it took a deviation 7:14 · apparently and 7:16 · um yeah in this Deer Park you can still 7:18 · see the the Roman Road today probably 7:20 · sit on that camera but um I just come 7:23 · down this bank here well this is one of 7:25 · the ditches at the side of the Roman 7:27 · Road still mid-november and it's full of 7:30 · vegetation so you're not really going to 7:31 · make any of it out perhaps from the sky 7:34 · you might be able to nevertheless right 7:37 · there in front of me that 7:39 · Bank there is the Roman Road which heads 7:42 · north to cirencester south to Winchester 7:47 · [Music] 7:49 · it's mistakes Bradbury to Dorchester is 7:52 · roughly 18 to 19 miles not as stated so 7:55 · let's change that Bradbury to Serum is 7:57 · 21 not 12. Ashley to Serum is more like 8:02 · 15 not eight Winchester to Ashley is six 8:05 · not eleven 8:08 · so let's stop there because now we've 8:10 · got one last distance to measure between 8:13 · Winchester and silchester now if we draw 8:16 · a direct line between the two well 8:18 · that's 24 miles now the itinerary for 8:21 · this list states the overall route from 8:24 · silchester to Exeter was 136. so that 8:28 · fits pretty well 111 plus 24 has 135 8:33 · that's only a mile out fantastic 8:35 · so why then are we seeing two different 8:37 · measurements between silchester and 8:39 · Winchester we're seeing an XV 15 and 8:42 · we're seeing an xxi for 21 miles that's 8:45 · 36 miles in total and even if we try and 8:48 · draw lines to make those meet in 8:51 · different directions well that seems 8:53 · miles out of the actual line of the 8:55 · route itself 8:58 · [Music] 9:09 · so that's confused antiquarians and 9:12 · anyone that's really sought to try and 9:13 · find vendomus centuries now do you take 9:17 · the literal route of 15 miles and 21 9:19 · miles and therefore make a big deviation 9:22 · in the root or do you take the straight 9:24 · line between the two Winchester and 9:26 · steel tester and make it 22 24 miles 9:34 · in fact some have suggested it's here in 9:36 · Saint maryborn just to the east of 9:39 · Andover because if you take the 15 miles 9:42 · along the portway well that fits quite 9:45 · well but then the 21 Mile passes down to 9:49 · Winchester well that doesn't work and 9:51 · then there is nephem near Alton again 9:54 · the distances could almost work if you 9:56 · take 15 miles south Southeast along 9:58 · Roman Road 155 then you land here and lo 10:03 · and behold well there was a significant 10:06 · Town found here markets dwellings 10:09 · streets you name it 10:11 · the distance from here to Winchester 10:13 · however is around 20 out 10:16 · so let's get back to the mileage let's 10:18 · assume they did indeed head from 10:21 · silchester Street to Winchester let's 10:24 · change the XV to x i i in case that was 10:27 · an error and let's change the xxi to an 10:30 · x i in case that was an error so then we 10:33 · have 12 and 11 and pretty much we bridge 10:36 · that Gap and while that gives us a 10:39 · completely new insight into where we 10:42 · might find vindomis 10:47 · he near the wheat sheath pretty much 10:50 · halfway between the two 10:53 · [Music] 11:01 · now I don't want you to think this is a 11:03 · uh something I've magically come up with 11:05 · this whole theory of course the Roman 11:07 · Road research Association I've been 11:09 · mulling this over for years and as I 11:12 · mentioned antiquarians for decades and 11:15 · centuries alike but it does show you 11:17 · what there is out there still to 11:19 · discover still to discuss and still to 11:21 · almost sit from your own armchair at 11:24 · home and ponder over and of course the 11:27 · one thing that we've learned from this 11:29 · perhaps is it's not always best to start 11:32 · a route from silchester or one specific 11:35 · point maybe sometimes it's good to flip 11:37 · on its head and start the other end 11:39 · where you know something is correct and 11:42 · then work backwards it's a one lesson 11:44 · I've learned today if you've enjoyed 11:46 · this little video 11:47 · hit the like button and uh I'll be back 11:50 · this time next week 11:56 · [Music] 12:03 · [Music]
It's been a while since I'd thought about this pair, enjoy!
It wasn’t lost, it was just misplaced..................
Neatham (Vindomis) Roman Settlement
https://www.roman-britain.co.uk/?places=neatham
They should demand reparations.
That might be why they disappeared. Caesars were sensitive about demands.
Destroyed by the Roman legions after the town residents started a Carthaginian Lives Matter demonstration.
It was hard to track down because it kept Roman around.
Them people in europe sure do lose the darnedest things.
Nowadays, just leave town, and the “movement” and its “demonstrators” will destroy the town for you.
Have you heard of Boncuklu Tarla?
Heh, yeah, it’s come up a few times lately, if you see a good article or vid, please post it.
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