Posted on 03/09/2023 1:28:55 AM PST by RandFan
NYT and The Times of London saying a "pro-Ukraine group" blew up the Nord Stream pipelines. Seymour Hersh who I respect says Biden/US Navy divers did it.
Is this propaganda then, Freepers? What's going on here...
If you read or listen to the Hersh expose you realize that this was a pretty sophisticated operation that included Norway and probably others.
No way, no how Ukraine could have done this. In fact, is the media even trying to give us a description? Are any of the articles signed? Who are the authors?
It really shows how sophisticated our military is.
They did this through the Navy not the CIA to avoid scrutiny from Congress.
Another example of how it’s hard to believe that our FBI, CIA, covert military etc doesn’t know everything about everything. They do.
They know the truth about Obama’s birth and background,
They know the truth about the Kennedy assassination
They know the truth about how the 2020 election was rigged
etc etc etc.
So, in summary, yeah propaganda promulgated by our gov’t.
My vote echos Bannon.
CIA using a subcontract.
bluntly no one knows for certain, so there is speculation.
It was the Kraken.
Eco-terrorists.
This is the word game. Call it propaganda. Call it messaging. But it is a game played on all who would try to decipher the undecipherable.
Consider the sentence itself. "A pro-Ukrainian group" blew up the pipeline."
Is there ANY information in this? None. As many of the clever comments show, the NYT, WaPo and Guardian print nothing though in many words.
It is the same with "a criminal perpetrated a crime." None is named. Therefore the sentence is like so much political speech, meant to sound informative and earnest while meaning nothing.
The game works. So many are chasing their tails now.
Hersh's article, like it or not, had much detail. This has little. THAT's the game. Like playing fetch with your dog, again and again and again. Throw, fetch, retrieve, repeat.
The oBiden regime has used German intelligence to craft a new narrative to take the light off the reports of US involvement and shine the light strongly on their new scapegoat, fictitious Ukrainian separatists.
The media are being good soldiers and spreading and feeding the new scapegoat narrative far and wide.
Seymour Hersh will turn 85 in April. He is the most thorough and best sourced reporter we have. He is not wrong. Here is a TASS article where Cy chooses to NOT argue with the NY Times. He has class and integrity, and yes it is obvious that Joe and US Navy are a “group supporting Ukraine”. So Cy is correct, accurate and right and Joe, US Govt and US media are spewing disinfo and psyops as usual.
https://tass.com/politics/1585973
Seymour Hersh will turn 85 in April. He is the most thorough and best sourced reporter we have. He is not wrong. Here is a TASS article where Cy chooses to NOT argue with the NY Times. He has class and integrity, and yes it is obvious that Joe and US Navy are a “group supporting Ukraine”. So Cy is correct, accurate and right and Joe, US Govt and US media are spewing disinfo and psyops as usual.
https://tass.com/politics/1585973
Yes it is propaganda and the mainstream worldwide media are complicit.
It was the tooth fairy.
Could be both. Ukraine is our “ ally” after all.
What?! You mean the media is part of the deep state? The dickens you say. ;)
It was SPECTRE. They needed a victory. Rosa Klebb is making a comeback based on this.
BINGO!!!
Well, you read Hersh’s story based on his investigation.
After a period of silence in the US press, here is the team rewrite of the story from the CIA- controlled NYT
Not only does this campaign deflect blame from the US (and Biden, having committed an impeachable damaging attack of war , without apparent Congressional authorization) on European allies to further US political and economic interests)…it attempts to cast blame on some rogue Ukrainians…..but not our pet Ukrainian
“By Adam Entous, Julian E. Barnes and Adam Goldman
March 7, 2023, 10:26 a.m. ET
WASHINGTON — New intelligence reviewed by U.S. officials suggests that a pro-Ukrainian group carried out the attack on the Nord Stream pipelines last year, a step toward determining responsibility for an act of sabotage that has confounded investigators on both sides of the Atlantic for months.
U.S. officials said that they had no evidence President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine or his top lieutenants were involved in the operation, or that the perpetrators were acting at the direction of any Ukrainian government officials.”
Moon of Alabama has published 2 articles on this …the latest
Nord Stream Attack - ‘Officials’ Throw More Chaff To Hide The Real Perpetrators
This comment
“The campaign was designed to flood the information space with so much nonsense that no one would be drawn back to the roots of the story”
Hersh laughed af the US media campaign and promised to drop more details of his investigation next week.
Hopefully he won’t get Breitbarted.
It WAS a pro-Ukraine group - based in the US of A...
An attack on the energy infrastructure of a NATO country, and thus an attack on NATO.
I agree with you: The CIA is presumably doing the deflecting now for the US.
Common sense tells us that Ukrainians did have the wherewithal to pull this off, so that brings us around.to their supporters - DoD/CIA.
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