Jewish actor converts to Catholicism: the Virgin Mary ‘is my most beautiful love’

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/amp/news/252786/jewish-actor-converts-to-catholicism-the-virgin-mary-is-my-most-beautiful-love ^ | November 10, 2022

[Elsie]

Five more WHY questions.

You sound like a five year old.

[kinsman redeemer]

"The remark about the doubt was humor as indicated by the joke immediately following."

Dubious, at best.

You compared my story to a joke after saying, "That part makes me doubt your story."

Would it have been more believable to you if I had run into the "priest" in the Family Planning aisle?

Maybe.

[kinsman redeemer]

That's the problem with Sola Scriptura.
(It doesn't allow you to infer anything, even what's most obvious to all.)

I think you have that exactly wrong.

All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work. 2 Timothy 3:16-17

Emphasis mine, to help you through it.

[kinsman redeemer]

Unless a thread is official Catholic Caucus, it’s a discussion thread.

.

I always respect their private meetings:

which are sparsely attended...
and mostly uninteresting...

I respect those threads, even though I am qualified (in the view of some of their own) to attend because their "church" played me for so many years.

So, IF they want threads like this to be their happy-place "echo chamber", then MARK THE THREAD as a private "caucus". Otherwise, they will face criticism.

This is an open forum.

[MayflowerMadam]

“This is an open forum.”

Yes, it is, and everybody knows that. Still, they whine.

[SouthernClaire]

“(The last decade on Fridays one recalls Jesus being nailed to the cross, each of the phrases He said on the Cross, His being pierced with a spear, and His body being handed over to His Mother.)”

You’ve stumped me, Grey-whiskers! When was Jesus’ body handed over to His mother?

TIA

[grey_whiskers]

Presumably somewhere between the centurion’s spear and the burial.

Mary *was* at the crucifixion, right?

[SouthernClaire]

I believe she was at the crucifixion of our Blessed Lord Christ Jesus, but was it not Joseph of Arimathea who asked Pilate for the body of Jesus and received permission from Pilate to take it?

[MHGinTN]

Your memory of the scripture is accurate. The catholic maridolatry wants it to have been Mary getting the body, but scripture tells us it was Joseph of Arimethea who went to Pilate to ask for the body of Jesus. His request surprised Pilate since most crucified men last a longer in their agony. So pilate charged a Centurian to check the body thus the spear into the plural cavity of the heart rather than the legs being broken to hasten death toward dark.

[SouthernClaire]

Thanks for the confirmation, MHG. Wasn’t sure if I was losing my mind or not!

[MHGinTN]

Mark 15:42 And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath,
43 Joseph of Arimathaea, an honourable counsellor, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus.

44 And Pilate marvelled if he were already dead: and calling unto him the centurion, he asked him whether he had been any while dead.

45 And when he knew it of the centurion, he gave the body to Joseph.

Another example of Catholics being trained to believe soemthing contrary to The Word of God.

[MHGinTN]

Matthew 27:57 When the even was come, there came a rich man of Arimathaea, named Joseph, who also himself was Jesus' disciple:
58 He went to Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus. Then Pilate commanded the body to be delivered.
59 And when Joseph had taken the body, he wrapped it in a clean linen cloth,

[MHGinTN]

John 20:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

32 Then came the soldiers, and brake the legs of the first, and of the other which was crucified with him.

33 But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already, they brake not his legs:

34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.

35 And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe.

36 For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken.

37 And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced.

And after this Joseph of Arimathaea, being a disciple of Jesus, but secretly for fear of the Jews, besought Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus: and Pilate gave him leave. He came therefore, and took the body of Jesus.

[Elsie]

Presumably ???

[Elsie]

Luke 23:50-56

50 Now there was a man named Joseph, a member of the Council, a good and upright man, 51 who had not consented to their decision and action. He came from the Judean town of Arimathea, and he himself was waiting for the kingdom of God. 52 Going to Pilate, he asked for Jesus’ body. 53 Then he took it down, wrapped it in linen cloth and placed it in a tomb cut in the rock, one in which no one had yet been laid. 54 It was Preparation Day, and the Sabbath was about to begin.

55 The women who had come with Jesus from Galilee followed Joseph and saw the tomb and how his body was laid in it. 56 Then they went home and prepared spices and perfumes. But they rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment.

[Elsie]

But...

If a picture is worth 1,000 words, then a 3d sculpture ought to be able to nullify 1,000 words of Scripture.

[grey_whiskers]

Different gospels give slightly different accounts.

Matthew 27:57ff
⁵⁷When it was evening, there came a rich man from Arimathea named Joseph, who himself was a disciple of Jesus. 58He went to Pilate to ask for the body of Jesus, and Pilate ordered that it be given to him. ⁵⁹So Joseph took the body, wrapped it in a clean linen cloth,⁶⁰and placed it in his own new tomb that he had cut into the rock. Then he rolled a great stone across the entrance to the tomb and went away.

Mark 15:42ff
⁴²Now it was already evening. Since it was Preparation Day (that is, the day before the Sabbath), ⁴³Joseph of Arimathea, a prominent Council member who himself was waiting for the kingdom of God, boldly went to Pilate to ask for the body of Jesus. ⁴⁴Pilate was surprised to hear that Jesus was already dead, so he summoned the centurion to ask if this was so. ⁴⁵ When Pilate had confirmed it with the centurion, he granted the body to Joseph. ⁴⁶So Joseph bought a linen cloth, took down the body of Jesus, wrapped it in the cloth, and placed it in a tomb that had been cut out of the rock. Then he rolled a stone against the entrance to the tomb.

Luke 23:50ff
⁵⁰Now there was a Council member named Joseph, a good and righteous man, ⁵¹who had not consented to their decision or action. He was from the Judean town of Arimathea, and was waiting for the kingdom of God. ⁵²He went to Pilate to ask for the body of Jesus.⁵³Then he took it down, wrapped it in a linen cloth, and placed it in a tomb cut into the rock, where no one had yet been laid. ⁵⁴ It was Preparation Day, and the Sabbath was beginning. ⁵⁵The women who had come with Jesus from Galilee followed, and they saw the tomb and how His body was placed.

John 19:38ff
³⁸Afterward, Joseph of Arimathea, who was a disciple of Jesus (but secretly for fear of the Jews), asked Pilate to let him remove the body of Jesus. Pilate gave him permission, so he came and removed His body. ³⁹ Nicodemus, who had previously come to Jesus at night, also brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about seventy-five pounds. ⁴⁰So they took the body of Jesus and wrapped it in linen cloths with the spices, according to the Jewish burial custom.⁴¹Now there was a garden in the place where Jesus was crucified, and in the garden a new tomb in which no one had yet been laid. ⁴²And because it was the Jewish day of Preparation and the tomb was nearby, they placed Jesus there.

Notice that they are concerned with the burial, they are not attempting to be complete and exact about all details: Matthew says the tomb belonging to Joseph of Arimathea, the other three just say a new tomb. John mentions Nicodemus, but none of the other gospels do; and Luke is the only one who mentions anyone following *to* the burial.

If you want to be pedantic to the point of saying "it's not mentioned explicitly in Scripture, it must be FALSE!" go ahead; but the Bible never says Jesus coughed, or went to the bathroom, either. I think it's absurd to declare that the Mother of Jesus -- who btw was included with the disciples as they were praying in the Upper Room at Pentecost -- was not allowed to hold or touch or mourn her Son before burial.

You might recall a certain sculpture by some guy named Michelangelo, and I haven't yet seen any Deep Water Baptists, or Calvinists, or any other Evangelical or fundamentalist getting all up in arms over "extra Biblical HERESY" over it.

[grey_whiskers]

Well, she wasn’t in the tomb with Him.

[Songcraft]

Hi Elsie!

You seem to have extensive knowledge of the New Testament (as does Rabbi Tovia Singer), and I would like to see how you would respond to one of the Rabbi's claims.

He basically says that the story of the women taking spices to the tomb of Jesus on Sunday morning in Mark and Luke is totally false and ridiculous, as there would be no reason in the world for those women to extract the body of Jesus from the tomb, and put spices on it.   He claims that was just a phony story device used by the writers of those two Gospels, as a way to get someone to discover the empty tomb, and he says that the later Gospel of John completely changes that story of the spices, in order to clean that "spice" account up.   (Here is a link to the Rabbi's video where he discusses that point.)

     "Jesus’ empty-tomb story could not have occurred – Rabbi Tovia Singer responds to caller"

How would you respond to the Rabbi regarding his assertions?

(I have to say goodnight now, but I hope to find a response from you when I can get back on, to see how you would respond to the Rabbi.)

Thanks.

[MHGinTN]

Almost laughable how a Catholic mind will twist and turn trying to justify false teaching by the Catholic Org. No one has said His mother was not allowed to touch or mourn, or even following close by when He was taken to the tomb. And we are certainly aware from scripture that Mary and the other women came after the Sabbath, to anoint eh body and wrappi9ngs. BUT it was Joseph who request Pilate give him leave to take the body down and bury it.