Posted on 08/07/2022 6:13:37 AM PDT by where's_the_Outrage?
Early in the morning of August 6, 1945, a U.S. Air Force B29 bomber, the Enola Gay, took off from the its base in Tinian, near Guam, and headed for the city of Hiroshima in southern Japan.
It was carrying a 9,700 top-secret bomb named Little Boy. Its pilot was Col. Paul W. Tibbets Jr., who led a crew of 12 men on a mission that would change the history of the world.......
Pilot Tibbetts Jr and other crew members believed to the end of their lives that the bomb was necessary — and they say that it ultimately saved lives.
In a 2002 interview, Tibbetts told writer Studs Terkel: "I knew we did the right thing because when I knew we'd be doing that I thought, yes, we're going to kill a lot of people, but by God we're going to save a lot of lives. We won't have to invade [Japan]."......
He said: "You're gonna kill innocent people at the same time, but we've never fought a damn war anywhere in the world where they didn't kill innocent people.
"If the newspapers would just cut out the s--t: 'You've killed so many civilians.' That's their tough luck for being there," he said.
(Excerpt) Read more at msn.com ...
Well, we did avoid their aggressions and ambitions for conquest for just a bit. With some help it didn’t take long for them to catch up.
In all of their conflicts with the japs I can’t keep track of whether they were at a net gain or loss of land at the time. I’d have to go back and look.
I could see how he would feel compelled to atone for that.
Dear CRZ,
Most of that was likely generated by hungry lawyers!
There are places on the Earth, where background radiation is 100X of the “safe” level and guess what? People live there and the cancer rate is actually LOVER than normal.
Dont forget the radium girls and cancer.
Now that I’m retired from the Navy, now would be a good time to begin. At least outline what I would speak about. That would be a good start. I’ve been avoiding it because it’s been a sensitive topic all my life. Thank you for your encouragement.
Japanese Intransigence Provoked the Atomic Bombs
The Kokutai principle played a decisive role for Japanese surrender in August 1945. Influential Japanese lived within a spiritual/political fabric of Emperor, citizen, land, Bushido, ancestral spirits, government, and Shinto religion. Subjected to this authority average citizens forfeited individuality to a collective soul defining Japan and awaited the Empire’s decrees. With such national unity committed to Total War beneath the slogan of “Honorable Death of a Hundred Million” the atomic bombs were no longer indiscriminate or disproportional.
By January 1944 Hirohito foresaw inevitable defeat and appointed a Peace Faction. However, his government conducted political kabuki through twenty months of continuous defeats, fire bombings of over 60 cities, looming starvation, and 1.3 million additional Japanese deaths.
As the political factions reached impasse the atomic bombs allowed Hirohito to speak the “Voice of the Crane” in the sweltering palace bunker. The bombs became a force of nature; equivalent to an earthquake or typhoon against which even a god/king was impotent. Only Imperial submission to such a catastrophe could match the disgrace of surrender following 2,600 years of martial invincibility.
Only Hirohito could submit because he held the heaven created Imperial throne. He would bear the unbearable, conclude the war, and transform the nation. The War Faction and Peace Factions could then relent, and no one would lose face. All remained within the fabric of Japanese from all eras who had sacrificed for Emperor and Empire. Only then did Japan contact Swiss and Swedish foreign offices to commence the negotiations leading to surrender.
Partial bibliography:
Hell to Pay, D. M. Giangreco
Japan’s Imperial Conspiracy, David Bergamni
Target Tokyo: The Story of the Sorge Spy Ring, Gordon Prange
The Secret Surrender, Allen Dulles
Hirohito, Edward BehrM
A quote by film director Akira Kurosawa illustrates the transformation of that generation of Japanese people, who before were resigned to the slogan “Honorable Death of a Hundred Million”.
“When I walked the same route back to my home (after the Emperor’s broadcast), the scene was entirely different. The people in the shopping street were bustling about with cheerful faces as if preparing for a festival the next day. If the Emperor had made such a call (to follow the above slogan) those people would have done what they were told and died. And probably I would have done likewise. The Japanese see self-assertion as immoral and self-sacrifice as the sensible course to take in life. We were accustomed to this teaching and had never thought to question it….In wartime we were like deaf-mutes.”
Hirohito and the Making of Modern Japan, Herbert P. Bix
Talk to those in those areas.
You’ve been duped by some scoundrels.
And the cancer rates ARE NOT lower than normal.
I have no idea where in the hell you are getting that.
Again..go talk to those who have been exposed to what shit the government covered them with. Tell them that they are liars.
Go ahead. Right on up to the Indian reservations and tell them that they are liars. Or to St George Utah, or the AZ strip, or Mohave County..tell them that its all in their heads and that they are looking for an easy handout.
Now I could shower you with all the links and studies done through the years where the contamination studies have been done but I wont.
Two bridges cross the Detroit River in Detroit, if you count the bridge to Belle Isle. I count four or five bridges in that picture. And two major rivers don’t merge at a near right angle in Detroit.
I live near there - no need to look at a map.
Totally random, but i get it. Prayers for you and your family.
FR is a treasure to me every day, even the days the trolls show up
The trolls do make us pay attention. And rarely do they get a free pass.
I suppose a person could use that but reality is, they did that to themselves... unknowingly.
The US government, at a very short time after, knew they had contaminated whole areas of the USA with radiation from those tests.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwTAVAQeB84
I worked with a guy who was on a troop ship waiting to invade Japan. He said they all knew it was a suicide mission. The bomb saved his life and every Aug 6th he would sit at his desk and cry because there were those that would have preferred the bomb not be dropped.
I’ve wondered how much the increase in cancer rates is due to these nuclear tests, especially among baby boomers. They blamed it all on smoking cigarettes, but is smoking really all of it?
All I know Virge is this.
Did you ever have this said to you when you went to school?
“Dont eat the snow. Its got fallout in it.”
We heard that all the time when I went to grade school.
Matter of fact, they gave us pills for it once in a while back then. Iodine pills.
There have always been those who disagreed, including Ike, George Marshall, Wm. Leahy, Curtis LeMay and IIRC Nimitz and MacArthur.
I have never heard that, please give some specific links that shows your claim to be true. Thanks.
My Dad was on a train headed to the west coast when they dropped the Bomb. They stopped for a couple of weeks at Ft. Riley, and then they told him he had done his part in Europe and they sent him home. It was very simple back then. He had no doubt that that was the right thing to do.
We bombed many German cities into dust. The only reason we didn’t nuke the Germans is that the Bomb wasn’t ready until after they surrendered.
MANY more civilians would have been killed if we had not dropped the atomic bombs.
Eisenhower and Leahy: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/it-wasnt-necessary-to-hit-them-with-that-awful-thing-why-dropping-the-a-bombs-was-wrong?_amp=true
MacArthur, Hap Arnold, LeMay, Ernest King, Bull Halsey, Nimitz: https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/atomic-bombings-ian-w-toll
These were serious men and there were and are serious men who thought the opposite. I am not condemning anyone.
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