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To: smileyface; generally; Steve Van Doorn
yes, niacin good, with caveats; if taking high doses daily >500mg, you may want to get your liver function checked every year - 6 months

FYI all those studies about liver difficulties were about fake niacin - not nicotinamide.

958 posted on 07/25/2022 5:10:43 AM PDT by numberonepal (WWG1WGA)
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To: numberonepal

Question for the nicotinamide guru (You).

I’ve been taking a Vitamin B Complex (supplement) since 2008.
>> It contains 118% of the RDA for niacinamide (B3) << along with other B-vitamins (each at >100% of RDA).

There is no mg dosage on the container to tell me how much I am taking.
Interwebz gives me inconclusive results when searching for RDA of niacinamide; I assume on purpose.

Q: If I’ve been taking this dosage daily since 2008, should I assume that I don’t need to increase my intake of B3? And, (2) what do you understand the \RDA\ of niacinamide to be?

I can do the math to figure the mg-dose.


962 posted on 07/25/2022 5:42:39 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Islam is NOT a religion of any sort. It is a violent and tyrannical system of ruling others.)
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To: numberonepal; generally; Steve Van Doorn

...if taking high doses daily >500mg, you may want to get your liver function checked every year - 6 months
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FYI all those studies about liver difficulties were about fake niacin - not nicotinamide.
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No, some of the studies were conducted with niacin in different formulations. It is in the label for niacin. A drug manufacturer would avoid this verbiage if possible...

Liver Dysfunction

Cases of severe hepatic toxicity, including fulminant hepatic necrosis, have occurred in patients who have substituted sustained-release (modified-release, timed-release) Niacin products for immediate-release (crystalline) Niacin at equivalent doses.

Niacin extended-release tablets should be used with caution in patients who consume substantial quantities of alcohol and/or have a past history of liver disease. Active liver diseases or unexplained transaminase elevations are contraindications to the use of Niacin extended-release tablets.

Niacin preparations have been associated with abnormal liver tests. In three placebo-controlled clinical trials involving titration to final daily Niacin doses ranging from 500 to 3,000 mg, 245 patients received Niacin for a mean duration of 17 weeks. No patient with normal serum transaminase levels (AST, ALT) at baseline experienced elevations to more than 3 times the upper limit of normal (ULN) during treatment with Niacin. In these studies, fewer than 1% (2/245) of Niacin patients discontinued due to transaminase elevations greater than 2 times the ULN.

Liver-related tests should be performed on all patients during therapy with Niacin. Serum transaminase levels, including AST and ALT (SGOT and SGPT), should be monitored before treatment begins, every 6 to 12 weeks for the first year, and periodically thereafter (e.g., at approximately 6-month intervals). Special attention should be paid to patients who develop elevated serum transaminase levels, and in these patients, measurements should be repeated promptly and then performed more frequently. If the transaminase levels show evidence of progression, particularly if they rise to 3 times ULN and are persistent, or if they are associated with symptoms of nausea, fever, and/or malaise, the drug should be discontinued.

https://www.drugs.com/pro/niacin.html
https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsatfda_docs/label/2015/020381Orig1s051lbl.pdf
https://dailymed.nlm.nih.gov/dailymed/getFile.cfm?setid=92b3ec1d-0dc7-4bde-9817-57b1bdf7f0b9&name=NIACIN

Note data used in licensure (prescribing information) may not be available in the general medical literature and could be held ‘on file’.


996 posted on 07/25/2022 7:48:35 AM PDT by smileyface ("The illuminati's whole philosophy demands the use, abuse, sacrifice and consumption of children.")
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To: numberonepal; smileyface
said, "if taking high doses (niacin) daily"
Water is bad for you in high doses daily. It thins the blood to much. When I don't have any issues. I take 500 mg of niacin once a week.

I took Dr Hoffer's 3000 mg daily for three days one time a few years ago to see the effects. I had no noticeable effects though I wouldn't suggest it for everyone.
It's for anxiety related issues.
1,049 posted on 07/25/2022 10:51:12 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: numberonepal; generally; Steve Van Doorn; Cletus.D.Yokel
FYI all those studies about liver difficulties were about fake niacin - not nicotinamide.

Wrong. Nicotinamide, aka niacinamide, ISs the problem. The real thing -- that doesn't cause liver damage -- is niacin, or nicotinic acid.

Almost all B-complex supplements contain niacinamide -- the liver-damaging stuff -- not niacin. VitalBulk, however, sells a B complex with neither niacin nor niacinamide, so you can choose whether to add the good stuff (niacin) or the bad stuff.

This week Dr. Kats again pointed to evidence that niacin may be a very good treatment/preventive for Alzheimer's, and I found an article that says that niacin deficiency may be a huge factor in celiac (extreme gluten sensitivity).

1,091 posted on 07/25/2022 1:23:33 PM PDT by AZLiberty (All I want for Labor Day is President Trump back in office.)
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