Posted on 06/22/2022 10:31:03 AM PDT by JOHN ADAMS
I voted for Trump twice, and I’m a lawyer and I played a small role in his challenge to the results. My question for this board is: why shouldn’t we pick a winner? Trump lost. He lost the election and he lost, pathetically, in the post-election challenges. He lost those legal challenges before Trump-appointed judges as well Bush appointees, Obama appointees, and Clinton appointees.
He’s persuaded 40-something percent of the country but not matter what he does, he cannot – can not – persuade more people. He has not done so and will not do so. It may suck, but it’s a fact.
We have to be grownups and face that fact.
To quote Trump himself, speaking about McCain – “he lost. So I never liked him much after that, because I don't like losers."
Don’t we need a winner -- someone who can actually get elected? The principles we espouse – belief in private property, in the right to bear arms, belief in the biology of the human race (XX= female, XY = male); respect for religion; belief in American exceptionalism – these are principles that most Americans believe in. If Trump espouses those principles and can’t get to, never mind above, 50%, don’t we need to pick someone who can?
You’ll say the election was stolen and that we can’t prevent that from happening again unless the crime is unmasked and punished.
Assuming your premise, just ask yourself this: is Trump able to get the crime punished? Really? The answer, you know it, is “no.”
You’ll say it’s because the other side is corrupt and they cheat. I agree with you. We need someone who can DEFEAT them at that game. Trump has proven that he cannot do so. He is what he called McCain: a loser. He lost. He has no way to unlose, because 50% of the country hates his guts and would sooner vote for Mickey Mouse. You may think that’s ridiculous, but you do not have the legal power to make them vote for your guy instead. It just isn’t going to happen.
We’re the grownups. We have to face facts and deal with facts. Just as half the country supported slavery in 1865, so half the country supports slavery now. We have to have a leader who can LEAD those people to a better place. Ronald Reagan could do that.
We should find a leader who can actually LEAD people to that place. That means not only people like us, who already support these principles, but people who can be PERSUADED to support them.
Trump can not do that. He can’t. He doesn’t have the ability to do it.
The New Yorker, which I know all Freepers read religiously and believe every word it says, has an article up savaging DeSantis. As the National Review points out, the article can’t avoid saying he’s very smart, works very hard, is committed to conservative principles. And he wins elections. And he would win in a walk against Brandon. Shouldn’t we be smart and pick, or at least start looking for, a winner?
Did you review that table that I posted?
I have constructed other tables for the various states, showing exactly where they rigged the votes.
They didn't expect anyone to compare Biden's turnout with Obama's record 2008 turnout.
They expected people to be looking at HILLARY'S 2016 turnout, which I did, at first.
There's a slim amount of correlation - but nothing conclusive there.
Someone on FR gave me the Rosetta Stone of Democrat vote fraud when they pointed out the drop in Obama votes in Missouri between 2008 and 2012.
The Missouri Democrat people very nearly won in 2008 - 4,000 votes shy. In 2012, they spent the money elsewhere [don't throw good money after bad - they already knew which states were in the bag in 2012, plus they didn't have to prove anything, just beat R-Money!]:
Missouri 2008 McCain Obama 1,445,814 1,441,911 Missouri 2012 Romney Obama 1,482,440 1,223,796
That gives you the idea to compare Obama 2008 to Biden 2020, THEN back-compare Obama 2008 to Hillary 2016, then Hillary 2016 to Biden 2020.
That shows you EXACTLY where they "fortified" the 2020 "vote" to make up for Hillary's 2016 shortfalls.
Another pattern that emerges is that Hillary's 2016 numbers were kind of haphazard - they relied on Democrat strongholds.
In 2020, they went right down a list of the most populous counties in each state, ramping up the "turnout" - until the county got too small to bother with.
You can see this pattern in every state.
Trump will be too old in 2024. So is Feinstein, Grassley, Mitch, Bernie, Leahy
I refuse to play with cheaters. The social contract has been broken so i quit.
I've gone as Galt as I can.
I will ONLY vote for Trump or no one at all.
It is not about Trump, it is about us.
Put on your asbestos underwear.
(I agree it’s time for someone younger. No one over 70.)
You realize what you just described is the exact type of thing an abused spouse says. They don’t blame the abuser—but themselves. It’s not healthy.
Actually they do. Trump was trying to make a federal case out of a state election. Remember, the constitution requires there to be independent elections for Presidential electors in each state. Trump was running around trying to make his case in the wrong places, using the wrong arguments. He may have had an army of lawyers…but they literally did not know what they were doing.
Don’t we need a winner — someone who can actually get elected?
He did, TWICE. Every single one of those “judges” knows as well as he knows his own face in the mirror that the election was stolen. They quailed and pissed their robes at the role they must play in history if they admitted that into a decision. So they LIED in the hope that we’d all just move on and it’d be no big deal. Trump was doubtless abandoned by every single one of his cabinet or other underlings in any stated desire to take what happened with the OBVIOUSLY stolen count to a conclusion. That would have left only the option of calling out the militia (that’s you and me, hard nuts) but perhaps Trump quailed at THAT one. A lot of people would. The idea that Trump deserves to be cast aside on that count strikes me as idiotic. These people who acted against Trump will not be beaten by a mere politician. Trump is a leader who knows what a failure of nerve against these animals can cost. He won’t do it again.
Trump creamed them. WE failed to help stop the steal.
Yup.
Well, Trump is our avatar. We picked him, so by denying him, they are denying us.
I don't believe that at all.
The national lie machine ran a massive propaganda ops against him. The American people mostly get their information from this lie machine, and if it is feeding them incorrect false bullsh*t, most will remain unaware of it.
Without controlling, or at least *FORCING* the national mass communications systems to provide the full truth, you cannot persuade the American people of very much.
The problem is not with Trump, it is with the existence, and our continued tolerance of this evil lie machine.
And you want to give this lie machine veto power over our President?
This.
It doesn’t matter what we think. Donald Trump is not sitting in the Oval Office. We have to come up with a plan that has a good chance of actually succeeding that will put into that chair a person who will do what we want.
That’s all that matters. Saying Trump won doesn’t solve that problem, no matter how fervently anyone believes it.
The only thing that matters is actually solving the problem.
Maybe if he gets to take over the lie machine for a little while.
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You can't just look at the final numbers, say they show a suspicious pattern, and overturn an election on that basis. You have to be able to point to specific individuals committing specific offenses that you can trace to specific vote totals.
It’s ironic, those in the private sector seem to want to be led by lawyers turned career politician.
And they prove this by electing them over and over and over and over....
And did you win? I think the premise of your topic is that we should focus on winners.
Now that's not really being fair to you, and by the same token you aren't being fair to Trump.
What was the bullsh*t excuse offered by the Court for why you didn't win?
It's making the people who yell about it feel better.
But that's about it.
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