Posted on 06/22/2022 10:31:03 AM PDT by JOHN ADAMS
I voted for Trump twice, and I’m a lawyer and I played a small role in his challenge to the results. My question for this board is: why shouldn’t we pick a winner? Trump lost. He lost the election and he lost, pathetically, in the post-election challenges. He lost those legal challenges before Trump-appointed judges as well Bush appointees, Obama appointees, and Clinton appointees.
He’s persuaded 40-something percent of the country but not matter what he does, he cannot – can not – persuade more people. He has not done so and will not do so. It may suck, but it’s a fact.
We have to be grownups and face that fact.
To quote Trump himself, speaking about McCain – “he lost. So I never liked him much after that, because I don't like losers."
Don’t we need a winner -- someone who can actually get elected? The principles we espouse – belief in private property, in the right to bear arms, belief in the biology of the human race (XX= female, XY = male); respect for religion; belief in American exceptionalism – these are principles that most Americans believe in. If Trump espouses those principles and can’t get to, never mind above, 50%, don’t we need to pick someone who can?
You’ll say the election was stolen and that we can’t prevent that from happening again unless the crime is unmasked and punished.
Assuming your premise, just ask yourself this: is Trump able to get the crime punished? Really? The answer, you know it, is “no.”
You’ll say it’s because the other side is corrupt and they cheat. I agree with you. We need someone who can DEFEAT them at that game. Trump has proven that he cannot do so. He is what he called McCain: a loser. He lost. He has no way to unlose, because 50% of the country hates his guts and would sooner vote for Mickey Mouse. You may think that’s ridiculous, but you do not have the legal power to make them vote for your guy instead. It just isn’t going to happen.
We’re the grownups. We have to face facts and deal with facts. Just as half the country supported slavery in 1865, so half the country supports slavery now. We have to have a leader who can LEAD those people to a better place. Ronald Reagan could do that.
We should find a leader who can actually LEAD people to that place. That means not only people like us, who already support these principles, but people who can be PERSUADED to support them.
Trump can not do that. He can’t. He doesn’t have the ability to do it.
The New Yorker, which I know all Freepers read religiously and believe every word it says, has an article up savaging DeSantis. As the National Review points out, the article can’t avoid saying he’s very smart, works very hard, is committed to conservative principles. And he wins elections. And he would win in a walk against Brandon. Shouldn’t we be smart and pick, or at least start looking for, a winner?
You claim to be a lawyer
What cases did you file over 2020?
None?? Yeah you’re just a blow hard
Yeah, lets go support another lawyer turned career politician!
It’s worked out so well going back decades.
If the election was stolen, there is no point in voting especially in PA.
I hope Desantis runs. Has Trumps platform without being an asshole.
Bull shit, whe as a GD lawyer in the military.
You didn’t know DeSantis worked in the military as a lawyer?
I’ll take that one. Your premise is wrong. Trump won the election - he is a winner.
As for your statement that President Trump is a loser because he lost his court challenges - that is a disgusting thing to say - every bit as disgusting as blaming a rape victim for the rape.
The courts refused to hear his case. The swing state legislatures failed to assert their authority over election processes. The state DAs refused to ensure free and fair elections. Those are not President Trump’s failings - his job was to win the election, which he did - not protect it from being stolen.
There is supposed to be justice. There is supposed to be law and order. Calling Trump a loser because he was unable to singlehandedly prevent the crime of the century is absurd and disgusting.
So? Everyone serves, no matter what their MOS is/was.
Because that’s exactly what they’ll conclude if Republicans “move on”, and nobody dares to fight back or even talk about it.
Trump and his supporters talk about it daily and fight every day, and the other side talks 'big lie' and dismiss every claim Trump and team make. Why? Because in spite of all the evidence claimed none of it has been taken to court. Unless and until someone is charged, tried, convicted, and sentences for vote fraud relating to the 2020 election then all it is is talk.
Gutsy post!
Great that FR is a forum where this can be openly discussed .
I’m not a Florida resident, so I don’t know everything that’s going on there. But DeSantis does seem to be making some good moves.
But, yeah. You make a fair point mentioning that lawyer-turned-politician stuff. The three best presidents in my lifetime were Ike, Reagan, and Trump. No lawyers there.
On the other hand, the worst president was George W. Bush. (Not trying to start an argument, just my opinion.) Bush wasn’t a lawyer either.
Tell me, can you list the private sector jobs/careers he’s had?
Take your time.
“Trump/DeSantis 2024”
See tagline
Mitch McConnell won. Do you support the gun confiscation bill.
Yes, rapists like it when their victims shut up.
Agreed. Not everyone here is crazy, just most.
Assuming Trump is able to win in 2024, he'll spend the next 4 years a lame duck.
And the democrats won’t do the same thing to DeSantis?
With loser mentality like yours they would be emboldened.
You know what you call 12 lawyers with there feet stuck in the sand in 60’ deep water?
A good start. Oops reg flag.
Don’t know, don’t care.
Ike spent his entire career in the military and he was, in my opinion, an outstanding President.
Working in the private sector can be good or bad. It doesn’t make one automatically qualified to be an effective President.
Yes, you should know because you are an expert on being an a$$hole.
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