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The Texas shooting shows the futility of arming teachers
MSNBC ^ | May 25, 2022 | Zeeshan Aleem

Posted on 05/26/2022 10:30:37 AM PDT by lowbridge

Hardcore opponents of gun control in the U.S. often respond to school shootings by proposing to arm teachers or add armed security guards to schools. But the inability of police to stop the gunman at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, before he killed at least 19 children and two teachers Tuesday exposes the poor reasoning behind that proposal.

While all the details of the shooting are not yet clear, authorities’ accounts revealed that the gunman was confronted by multiple armed police officers — yet they were unable to stop him before he killed nearly two dozen people.

The gunman reportedly crashed his truck in a ditch near the campus before entering the school, and police officers arrived at the school after a report of that crash.

According to CBS News’ summary of Texas Department of Public Safety Lt. Christopher Olivarez’s account, the shooter “stormed Robb Elementary School in the small city of Uvalde shortly after crashing his car in the area and immediately engaged in gunfire with state troopers on the scene. The gunman shot several police officers and then locked himself in a classroom.”

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According to various reports, after local officers called for backup, a specialized tactical unit made it into the classroom a full hour after the gunman entered the school, and an agent of an elite law enforcement unit was involved in killing the gunman. (That agent was injured in the process.)

Given those details, I find it increasingly impossible to understand how one could believe that the solution to school shootings is arming teachers or having a security guard protecting every school. If a group of police officers couldn’t stop a shooter, then why would we expect an individual teacher or security guard to do better?

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To: Tell It Right
The shooter was a “person of color”, making the police hold their hands so that they’re not racist.

Bingo!

101 posted on 05/26/2022 11:57:45 AM PDT by Thommas (The snout of the camel is already under the tent.)
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To: Lazamataz

Like this turd would ever admit the evil Yehudim would ever have a good idea.

Probably why she opposed the idea, in the first place.

Makes it harder to kill infidels.


102 posted on 05/26/2022 12:02:10 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Hodar

44% of all mass school killings are by homosexuals.

They make up 3% of the population.


103 posted on 05/26/2022 12:03:41 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Magnum44

So it took an hour for an armed asset to reach the gunman. And were to suppose if there were armed assets IN the building alrea, trained to act , things might have not went better? This is what passes for analysis these days.


104 posted on 05/26/2022 12:04:11 PM PDT by MrRelevant
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To: lowbridge

BS. Is not futile.


105 posted on 05/26/2022 12:04:52 PM PDT by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: lowbridge

The point about armed teachers is that they are a deterrence from a gunman even thinking about attacking a school. They know that it will take the police time to respond, so they have a killing window in which no one, not even teachers are armed.


106 posted on 05/26/2022 12:05:29 PM PDT by jimmygrace
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To: dforest

The moron who penned this piece cannot understand that he teacher in that classroom was inside and could have taken this bastard out fast before all the killing.

Cops couldn’t stop him because he went inside and locked the class door. An armed teacher in the room could have taken him out.

Exactly right! Teachers SHOULD be armed, principals/secretaries and the like. The gun free zones are where these psycho’s blow everything away!!!


107 posted on 05/26/2022 12:09:53 PM PDT by Dawgreg
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To: OKSooner

Pics Are good.


108 posted on 05/26/2022 12:20:58 PM PDT by Big Red Badger (We Are JONAH)
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To: bigdaddy45

Defended themselves. And the kids.


109 posted on 05/26/2022 12:21:40 PM PDT by MortMan (You better bring yours, when you come to take mine. - Creed Fisher)
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To: Lazamataz; wardaddy

The armed guards in the schools and at the doorways to stores in Israel are expected to die before letting a terrorist in. Even if it means tackling a suicide bomber. That is the ethos.


110 posted on 05/26/2022 12:27:03 PM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: 1Old Pro

Geez man... its an ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. There’s no shop class. The principal is likely a female, and so is the gym teacher. And you expect these people, with no armor whatsoever, to run TOWARDS the fire when the cops won’t even do it?


111 posted on 05/26/2022 12:51:49 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: lowbridge

This POS communist moron gets the “stupid is as stupid does” award for 2022...


112 posted on 05/26/2022 12:52:46 PM PDT by SuperLuminal
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To: lowbridge

So, a school where the teachers / staff were *not* armed is proof that arming the teachers and staff would be futile?

What an amazingly stupid article.


113 posted on 05/26/2022 12:53:04 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: MortMan

Oh Bullshit. If the teacher had a gun it would have made no difference. Some poor 25 year old teacher would have drawn her gun and taken out this guy with all his body armor? you’re living in a fantasy world.


114 posted on 05/26/2022 12:53:28 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: bigdaddy45
Geez man... its an ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. There’s no shop class. The principal is likely a female, and so is the gym teacher. And you expect these people, with no armor whatsoever, to run TOWARDS the fire when the cops won’t even do it?

Well, I'd probably start with training them how to lock doors.

115 posted on 05/26/2022 12:56:39 PM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: 1Old Pro

So now you’re blaming the teachers. You are an idiot with not a clue about what you’re talking about.


116 posted on 05/26/2022 12:58:26 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: lowbridge
If a group of police officers couldn’t stop a shooter, then why would we expect an individual teacher or security guard to do better?

Because it’s their lives that are threatened, too, not just the kids.

And they are not being ordered to stand down.

That has to rate as one of the all time stupidest questions going.

It’s not that the police COULDN’T stop the shooter. It’s that they didn’t.

117 posted on 05/26/2022 1:03:18 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith… )
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To: Travis McGee

One good thing

Local Leo won’t be much threat to determined civilians push comes to shove

Govt forces and assets another matter


118 posted on 05/26/2022 1:06:11 PM PDT by wardaddy (Where did all the same posters go......they cannot have all died ....could they ?)
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To: DrewsMum

Just saw a news report saying now he encountered no police and went straight into an unlocked door to enter the school.


119 posted on 05/26/2022 1:11:47 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: bigdaddy45; 1Old Pro

Is it about “blame” or just stating the facts? Apparently the school doors were unlocked, as well as the door to the classroom. That is basic stuff to secure the school that was not done.


120 posted on 05/26/2022 1:13:49 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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