Posted on 05/21/2022 6:45:11 PM PDT by 4Runner
We cannot believe this has happened. We sent business correspondence to our local U.S. Social Security Administration office two weeks ago by certified mail, return receipt requested. The documents were received by the Office, as we received the green Cert Mail card in return verifying same.
Included in the envelope we had sent to SSA was an official SSA form whose instructions were to return the form to the local SSA office. Along with the SSA form was a detailed cover letter, and documentation SSA requested confirming legal status.
Ten days later, we received an envelope in the mail from the local SSA office. The envelope contained every single document we had mailed them. The originals. There was no SSA cover letter, no SSA explanation as to why our documents were being returned to us, no SSA reference to the matter we were communicating about, nothing. Absolutely nothing.
Two pages were stamped as "Received", the other pages were not stamped.
This has to be someone's definition of institutional insanity. Someone had to be working really, really hard for a very long time, to bring us to this level of malfeasance. We are truly, truly lost as a nation. And these government employees earn six figure salaries? Good God almighty.
Yes.
I went in and buttonholed the staffer directly.
I'm like the dude during the savings and loan run in It's A Wonderful Life.
Just give me the money I put in, and we're good to go.
I won't trouble you again, Social Security.
SS is not welfare paid by FICA I am so tried of this misrepresentation it’s old and not true. Just stop
They are two different programs.
Sort of like Medicare (A program that you have to pay 3.9% of your total wages into for as long as you are working and then pay for additional insurance as they force you off your private insurance at 65) and Medicaid (a program that you need pay nothing into) are often deliberately conflated.
I recently saw a headline “households collecting Social Security eligible for low-cost high-speed internet” & got all excited, but only SSI recipients are eligible - not Social Security.
It’s not just them. I swear every company I deal with has a bunch of high school dropouts working in sales, order management, fulfillment and logistics. I ordered a replacement wireless communicator from my alarm monitoring company back in February. They sent me the wrong product. After SIX calls, they FINALLY sent me the return shipping label they promised me in March. I finally got a UPS confirmation that they correct product is in transit. I had to threaten to leave them and told the woman I wanted to escalate this to an executive.
At least with a company you have a decent chance of getting a human being to answer and work with you.
We have our own on-going problem with the IRS that just won’t end.
Well, no.
Both my parents and grandparents paid into SS. All their lives. There were a few people that did not and did receive money from the fund but that did not last for very long.
Any excess was sucked up into the general fund.
Exactly. As I said just because it was stolen for government vote buying shenanigans does not mean it is "welfare" anymore then your tax refund is "welfare".
The federal civil service job protections violate the separation of powers envisioned by the Constitution. Congress has usurped the function of the executive to hire persons it deems appropriate to carry out its Constitutional duty to execute the laws.
According to the Congressional Research Service:
Federal employees receive statutory protections that differ from those of the private sector, including more robust limits on when they can be removed or demoted. Although a number of laws apply to various aspects of the federal civil service system, the primary governing framework is the Civil Service Reform Act of 1978 (CSRA), as amended. The CSRA created a comprehensive system for reviewing actions taken by most federal agencies against their employees, and the act provides a variety of legal protections and remedies for federal employees. It also funnels review of agency decisions to the Merit Systems Protection Board (MSPB), subject to review by the United States Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit (Federal Circuit).
Also, the courts have accepted the wacko leftist idea imported from law school journals that having a federal job is a "property right" that cannot be terminated without "due process of law."
In addition to these statutory protections, the Due Process Clause of the Fifth Amendment requires the federal government to observe certain procedures when depriving individuals of life, liberty, or property. The CSRA’s requirement that covered employees may not be removed from federal service, except for cause or unacceptable performance, creates a constitutional property interest in continued employment. The government cannot deprive covered employees of this property interest without adhering to due process requirements.
No doubt the problem of wholesale patronage was a serious one, but the cure has been worse than the disease.
The Constitution never envisioned the huge Leviathan that the federal government has become. The course correction will begin with the rightful recognition that most of the New Deal legislation is unconstitutional.
Do you find that interesting?
Because I find that very interesting.
Seven.
Not at all surprised, lots of special deals for those people.
If inflation keeps going like it is now, it could become the norm that only the very rich & the people eligible for steep discounts will be consumers of a wide swath of products & services.
Amazon is not doing this out of the goodness of their heart.
So the US government is sending welfare to Amazon.
Wonder if the people crying about SS will cancel their Prime membership over this?
Probably not.
They now scan the originals and return them. There is a phone number to call.
The NEW program that Biden just signed includes more categories other than SSI
Nope.<<<
Can you explain your thinking..there never was a “lockbox” for SS...where do you think the money was being held...and what was the interest rate on it?
I’ve been waiting 18 years for the IRS to get back to me the the statute, not the IRS code, that requires me to pay taxes money I get paid in exchange for my labor or services. Here’s a hint; there is no statute that requires it.
That's not entirely true. I'm against the SS system, but if we're going to argue against it, let's get our facts straight.
You do have an account with your name on it. The SS fund owes you, even if they don't have the cash in their general fund to cover every person they owe to date. In that sense, they're no different that a bank not being forced to maintain every penny needed in a vault in case all account holders walked up to the bank Monday morning and demanded their entire savings. Just like the bank owes us because we have an account balance, the SS owes us because we have an account balance with them too.
And just like a bank, the SS fund is allowed to invest the money to make money to help pay for overhead costs (of which there is too much) and pay out to retirees more than was put in. The problem is the SS law allows the SS fund to invest into only one type of investment: U.S. treasuries. It's not correct to say that the rest of government raided the SS fund or anything like that. What is correct is to say that way too many times people in Congress said things like: "who cares if we spend too much money? The SS fund invests in US debt anyway so we're "helping" retirees." What a joke.
Basically, until the Federal Reserve's decade binge in expanding their balance sheet (quantitative easing), the SS fund was the largest U.S. debt holder. (China is the largest foreign owner of U.S. debt, though every now and they Japan takes the top spot.)
So, yes, the SS fund is in many ways the world's largest ponzi scheme. Yes, the first recipients didn't pay into it, and each recipient depends in large part on current workers. And if you live an average life span you receive more than you put into it, but not nearly as much as you would have if you invested just half as much in a simple S&P 500 index fund (more so if you count your employer's half too). And it's insolvent, especially with the Dims who created the mega ponzi scheme are in many case the same Dims who, when they got older, helped convince Americans to quit making so many babies (the population bomb scaremongering before global warming and covid). Basically we don't make enough future "investors" for the ponzi scheme to keep paying its promises.
At the time I was applying for retirement benefits, I first called a toll-free number that connected me to somebody in Atlanta. They pulled up the San Antonio office in their computer and put in an appointment for me in their system.
On the arranged date and time, I showed up, was in the waiting queue for about 30 minutes and then went to a specified cubicle. He looked through all my paperwork and gave me a sheet detailing how much money I would be getting to start and when the first payment would be made.
I then received a letter in the mail which largely reiterated what I was told in person. I scanned every document and sent some to my immigration attorney since I was moving to another country.
Couldn’t have gone more smoothly. I wish I could say awful things about the bureaucracy but it all went well. In my experience, it is always better to handle these issues in person even if you have to sit and wait a whole day to be seen. Get and use the names of who you spoke with. Be courteous but firm. Whether private or public sector, this advice usually works.
You are correct. Had I invested the contributions I would be better off but that ship has sailed. Now I just want what I have coming to me.
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