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2000 Mules Director Dinesh D’Souza says 'Our Film Proves Joe Biden is Not the President'
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Posted on 05/17/2022 5:22:04 PM PDT by RandFan

Dinesh D'Souza of 2000mules.com joins The Alex Jones Show to break down the evidence presented in his film proving Joe Biden's election was illegitimate.

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To: TChad
True the Vote purchased one petabyte of geotracking data -- a gigantic collection of numbers -- and somehow turned those numbers into mule maps. That was an extraordinary achievement, yet 2000 Mules tells us nothing about how it was accomplished.

If it's like the tracking data I've seen, there's no magic to it. It identifies the device (phone), a time log, and the location of the device at a given time. Pretty simple. Law enforcement uses geo-tracking data all the time to put suspects at the scene of the crime. It's good enough to use as courtroom evidence. Why are you having an issue with it?

The film shows no video of the TTV computer labs.

So? It wouldn't take a "computer lab." All it would take would be a team of dedicated IT people on their own computers.

Were they even slightly qualified to do the work? Had they done similar work in the past?

If you really had seen the film three times as you say, you would recall the two people heading up the TTV team and their credentials.

Did they consider alternative explanations for the geospatial data other than TTV's mule hypothesis?

Once again, if you really had seen the film three times as you say, you would recall the alternative possibilities, and how they eliminated them from the mix.

TTV's and D'Souza's answer to all that: "Trust us." Well, I don't trust them.

Now, we finally get to the crux of your issue. You don't trust them, no matter what the evidence says. We could have saved a lot of back and forth banter if you had just said that in the first place.

101 posted on 05/18/2022 7:40:55 PM PDT by eastexsteve
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To: eastexsteve
Unresponsive drivel.

If it's like the tracking data I've seen,

Which it might not be. We don't know because the film does not tell us. My main objections to the film are regarding what it does not tell us.

If you really had seen the film three times as you say, you would recall the two people heading up the TTV team and their credentials.

And if you had really seen the film, you would have noticed that those two people were described as having expertise in elections and election fraud. They were not described as having ANY expertise in data tracking or computer analysis. You also would have noticed that the film does not identify those two as the people who ran the analysis, as you imply. We don't know who ran the analysis because the film does not tell us.

Now, we finally get to the crux of your issue. You don't trust them, no matter what the evidence says.

That's an offensive lie, and you are a liar. I had high hopes for the film and would still love to have all my questions about the film fully answered. At this point I have all but given up on D'Souza and TTV, but there is still a remote chance they could win me back.

However, I have given up on you.

102 posted on 05/18/2022 9:19:20 PM PDT by TChad ("Joe, we should evacuate the civilians before the military. You understand that, right? Joe?")
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To: TChad
Unresponsive drivel.

The "drivel" is coming from you.

Which it [tracking data] might not be. We don't know because the film does not tell us. My main objections to the film are regarding what it does not tell us.

It's not rocket science. It's been gathered, marketed, and used for years. If you want a lesson in how to use tracking data obtained from companies who collect it, then take a class in digital marketing.

And if you had really seen the film, you would have noticed that those two people were described as having expertise in elections and election fraud. They were not described as having ANY expertise in data tracking or computer analysis.

This is the 21st century. You can't have one without the other. That's like saying you have top notch secretarial skills, but no computer skills. Good luck getting a job with that. If they are experts in elections and election fraud, they also have the digital skills necessary to perform their jobs. They both went into excellent detail about how they obtained, screened, sorted, and utilized the data. You can't do that without sufficient IT skills.

That's an offensive lie, and you are a liar.

No, I'm not. You said you didn't trust them. And, they gave a very straightforward explanation of how they reached their conclusions, and you still don't trust them. Those were your words.

At this point I have all but given up on D'Souza and TTV, but there is still a remote chance they could win me back.

I doubt it. They are trying to explain something to you that you don't have the basic expertise to understand. You don't trust them, and you never will because they won't give you a lesson in data analysis related to phone tracking. It's the same reason many people still believe the Obama birth certificate was real. Your average Joe will never understand the technical aspects involved. However, any IT person worth his weight in salt knew that thing was a fraud the minute they opened the file.

However, I have given up on you.

It's probably best you did. I lose patience leading a horse to water, but then trying to teach it to drink.

103 posted on 05/19/2022 1:21:36 AM PDT by eastexsteve
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To: TChad
Those dots may show that someone's phone was near the nonprofit, but that is not proof of a crime. It's not even close. It's a joke.

It's only a joke to someone not paying attention. How about the time they were standing in front of the non-profit into the wee hours of the morning? Was that their gramdma's house next door to the non-profit they were standing in front of? Did all of those mules have the same grandma? Did they all suddenly decide to start visiting Grandma several times a day very late at night starting two weeks before the election?

Phone tracking and geo-fencing isn't rocket science, and law enforcement uses it all the time to sort out possible suspects to a crime. It was good enough to arrest many people for the Jan 6 "insurrection" so it should certainly hold water here.

104 posted on 05/19/2022 1:33:57 AM PDT by eastexsteve
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To: eastexsteve; TChad

You both may find these interesting: (and please, don’t give me “oh, you’re using Twitter as a source?”. Don’t be lazy like that. These are actual screenshots from the film, it doesn’t matter the user/source/whatever showing it. I’ve seen the film too, I know these are accurate and believe the same. This Twitter user is not me for the record too):

https://twitter.com/PokerPolitics/status/1527320940706603008?s=20&t=zqB2UUAgS5u6GdbKVQD6ww

https://twitter.com/PokerPolitics/status/1527320946285375489?s=20&t=zqB2UUAgS5u6GdbKVQD6ww

https://twitter.com/PokerPolitics/status/1527320959920721920?s=20&t=zqB2UUAgS5u6GdbKVQD6ww

Generally speaking, the “maps” shown in the video of dropoxes are made up. Total fabrications:

https://twitter.com/PokerPolitics/status/1527097679603548160?s=20&t=zqB2UUAgS5u6GdbKVQD6ww

Here’s proof that the radius TTV used to “link” cellphones to locations (dropboxes and NGO’s) was “100 feet” NOT, “3 meters” (~10 feet) as they claimed in the movie.

https://twitter.com/AngryFleas/status/1521862156161105920?s=20&t=zqB2UUAgS5u6GdbKVQD6ww

Now maybe they changed their methodology between 2021 and the movie, but they never said in the movie they changed anything in their methodology. They just said they used a “3 meter radius”. I know, because again, I watched the movie. Prove to me, with sources, that they changed their methodology, because again, they don’t say they did in the movie, so the movie isn’t itself proof they changed it. It’s only proof they are claiming a different resolution radius without explanation.

As TChad said, there is no video of the same person at multiple drop boxes in the film:

https://twitter.com/PamelaEdwards/status/1525485072136257538?s=20&t=zqB2UUAgS5u6GdbKVQD6ww

In fact, 3 of the “2000 Mules” have already been “exonerated”:

https://twitter.com/PamelaEdwards/status/1526659354237321216?s=20&t=zqB2UUAgS5u6GdbKVQD6ww

How many more need to be “investigated” to show the methodology in the film is faulty?

I could go on, but I’m tired, tired of always “doing my own research” only to find every time it’s based on evidence worthy only of leftists.

Here’s a list of all the numerous times Q has been wrong just for the heck of it, maybe it’ll knock some sense into someone on this site:

https://twitter.com/PokerPolitics/status/1135811817073270785?s=20&t=zqB2UUAgS5u6GdbKVQD6ww


105 posted on 05/19/2022 5:20:07 PM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: FourtySeven
You both may find these interesting: (and please, don’t give me “oh, you’re using Twitter as a source?”. Don’t be lazy like that. These are actual screenshots from the film, it doesn’t matter the user/source/whatever showing it. I’ve seen the film too, I know these are accurate and believe the same..Generally speaking, the “maps” shown in the video of dropoxes are made up. Total fabrications:

Sorry. Close, but no cigar. I DLed an image of Moscow and reversed it. You should try it. This forum does not allow for attached images. Tell me how I can get it to you and I will. But, suffice to say, the claim on Twitter is the real fraud. It's not "Moscow reversed."

Here’s proof that the radius TTV used to “link” cellphones to locations (dropboxes and NGO’s) was “100 feet” NOT, “3 meters” (~10 feet) as they claimed in the movie.

It can be as close as 20 feet in some instances. It depends upon many factors. However, as soon as you can answer the questions I have for the naysayers on this issue, I'll give your arguments more credence. I say again:

How about the multiple times they were standing in front of the non-profits into the wee hours of the morning? Was that their gramdma's house next door to the non-profit they were standing in front of? Did all of those mules have the same grandma? Did they all suddenly decide to start visiting Grandma several times a day very late at night starting two weeks before the election? In addition, what did they receive from Grandma (who apparently lives next door to a non-profit) that caused them to immediately start visiting drop-boxes all over town very late at night?

Phone tracking and geo-fencing isn't rocket science, and law enforcement uses it all the time to sort out possible suspects to a crime. It was good enough to arrest many people for the Jan 6 "insurrection" so it should certainly hold water here.

106 posted on 05/19/2022 7:03:20 PM PDT by eastexsteve
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To: FourtySeven
Thank you a thousand times for that post! I should have time to dig into it this weekend.

Finally, some skepticism!

Thanks again.

107 posted on 05/20/2022 8:07:30 PM PDT by TChad ("Joe, we should evacuate the civilians before the military. You understand that, right? Joe?")
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To: FourtySeven
The material at your Twitter links could form the basis for a video that would demolish the credibility of 2000 Mules even to its most devoted fans.

I especially liked the Sept. 30, 2021 letter from the Georgia Bureau of Investigation to True the Vote: "As it exists, the data, while curious, does not rise to the level of probable cause that a crime has been committed." Ha! Somehow the existence of that letter was omitted from 2000 Mules. Also omitted was the specification that a mule's phone only had to be within 100 feet -- 100 FEET -- of a ballot dropbox or a non-profit "stash house" to be counted by TTV as a visit. The deliberate omission of that information from the film was glaringly obvious. If the number was wrong, the film could have specified another number. It did not. So much for "Geospatial tracking can be very accurate!" That statement is true, but TTV did not claim that its own SPECIFIC data as presented to the GBI was very accurate. There's a big difference between the two statements. It's not complicated.

If Gregg Phillips really placed dots on an inverted map of Moscow, Russia to show mule locations in an American city, nothing else that he claims can be trusted. He may have proved that he has a sick sense of humor, but that's all.

I'm glad that someone besides me noticed the exaggerated counts of mule-dropped ballots in the ballot box videos.

The film's implication that True the Vote's data helped solve the Secoriea Turner murder requires no further verification. It is now publicly exposed as a lie, and that lie should make 2000 Mules true believers take a few steps back from the film. If TTV lied about that, what else did they lie about?

It is important to note that, as you imply, Twitter data itself cannot always be trusted. Did Twitter user "Angry Fleas" create the Moscow mule map by himself? Had he provided the exact time in 2000 Mules that the map appeared, it would have helped verify his debunking of the map. It would have permitted anyone with access to the film and access to the internet to compare the 2000 Mules map to a current street map of Moscow. I strongly suspect that Angry Fleas Moscow map claim is accurate, but I can't prove that to myself without doing a bunch of work.

D'Souza has now started to show up wherever ballot fraud has been proved, saying, "I did that!" Every time, we have to verify that he actually did what he claims.

There is other aspects to all this that I should mention.

Just because D'Souza and TTV failed to prove their mule hypothesis does not mean that the hypothesis is wrong. It still might have been correct. We'll find out eventually. Also, parts of the film do appear to show evidence of actual voter fraud, without confirming the mule hypothesis. The two should be kept separate.

The good news is that the success of the film means that wannabe mules have been put on notice that future ballot fraud is much more likely to be noticed and prosecuted than it has been in the past. If that is the legacy of 2000 Mules, then the film will have accomplished more than just making Dinesh D'Souza very rich.

I think it is time for Trump to start walking back his endorsement of the film before it is widely exposed as a fraud.

108 posted on 05/22/2022 2:56:04 PM PDT by TChad ("Joe, we should evacuate the civilians before the military. You understand that, right? Joe?")
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To: TChad
There is other aspects to all this

Bah.

109 posted on 05/22/2022 5:40:04 PM PDT by TChad ("Joe, we should evacuate the civilians before the military. You understand that, right? Joe?")
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