Posted on 04/15/2022 7:37:48 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT
It's unclear whether the relic — a piece of the "true cross" — was on board when the Moskva sank.
The Russian Orthodox Church announced in February 2020 that the relic had been delivered to the then-commander of the Black Sea fleet, Vice Admiral Igor Osipov, and was at the fleet's headquarters in readiness for delivery to the ship "shortly," the state-run Tass news agency reported at the time.
The Moskva had a chapel on board for sailors to pray in, Sergiy Khalyuta, archpriest of the Russian Orthodox Church's Sevastopol District, told Tass. He said the fragment was to be transferred at the request of its owner, an anonymous collector.
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I was raised M S Lutheran too. I think relics are silly but if people like them than all is well and good afaik. But the problem with counterfeit relics has been a thing since AD34. It’s not like they issued letters of authenticity 2000 years ago.
Nah, it was probably a piece of “hunter Biden’s laptop” which made it a target for destruction.
As every good Roman Catholic knows, the True Cross is safe in the care of the Church, not of those schismatics in Russia.
Maybe it’s a bad idea to include a relic of Jesus in your ruthless attacks on innocent civilians.
Whoops; I mixed up the cross-talk between you and fidelis about eBay.
Duly noted, not a straw man.
Repeat first down.
“Whoops; I mixed up the cross-talk between you and fidelis about eBay. Duly noted, not a straw man.”
I know; it is so easy to do, isn’t it?
We partly agree and partly disagree.
I used to be a Prottie.
So I get the idea of faith in Christ alone, no idols, etc.
But there is a difference in attitudes towards relics.
Some might believe actual power resides in the relic itself.
Recall Elijah’s staff, Peter’s shadow, or handkerchief/clothes/whatever Peter had touched.
Or the woman with a flow of blood touching the hem of Jesus’s garment.
The power is ultimately from God.
Do we know the mechanism by which the object acquires/retains the power to heal?
In some cases, it is the faith of the sick person; other times it is instructions by the prophet with the recipient not knowing.
Or,considered as an aid to faith.
The problem is English is a sloppy language. Does “aid to faith” mean, “I’m such a wuss I can’t believe all those old stories without attendant historical artifacts surviving until the present day” or might it mean, it makes it more relatable, or a present reminder, like a photo of the wife and kids on your desk, “till I can come home and see them again?”
Or is it yet a third thing, just as a baseball glove used by Nolan Ryan, gaining status from association with someone so great, only in this case much more so?
Only in the first of these cases can I see being attracted to a relic as a sign of weak faith.
“Is that what CNN told you?”
Russian Ministry of Defense admitted the Moscow sunk.
I know it very depressing news to a Putin loyalist and jackboot sucker like you, though. Sympathies.
It all boils down to the individual. What is one man’s sacred relic may be another man’s toothpick. Both are valuable to the respective beholder, for their respective reasons, and neither is more right — or more wrong — than the other.
So simple yet funny. Carbonated drink up my nose instead of spitting it.
Another example:
There are some cultures that see cows as being sacred, and the reincarnation of, say, their grandmother. I see that cow, and what I see is steak on the hoof.
Now, if I’m wrong, I’ll get my ears boxed in the afterlife. But, if he’s wrong, he can starve in this one.
Who is right? As a belief, both.
Either that or Indiana Jones #7 (please make it stop!)
ping
14 Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters. 2 One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3 The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them. 4 Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.
5 One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. 6 Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7 For none of us lives for ourselves alone, and none of us dies for ourselves alone. 8 If we live, we live for the Lord; and if we die, we die for the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. 9 For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.
10 You, then, why do you judge your brother or sister[a]? Or why do you treat them with contempt? For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat. 11 It is written:
“‘As surely as I live,’ says the Lord,
‘every knee will bow before me;
every tongue will acknowledge God.’”[b]
12 So then, each of us will give an account of ourselves to God.
13 Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister. 14 I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean. 15 If your brother or sister is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy someone for whom Christ died. 16 Therefore do not let what you know is good be spoken of as evil. 17 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, 18 because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and receives human approval.
19 Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification. 20 Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a person to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble. 21 It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother or sister to fall.
22 So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the one who does not condemn himself by what he approves. 23 But whoever has doubts is condemned if they eat, because their eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin.[c]
Exactly.
High Priest: “Mr Putin, we have discovered the true cross carried by Jesus to his execution. It is priceless beyond measure and might help to reunite the Christians of Europe once again”. “what should we do with it?”.
Putin: “hmmm I know. Put it on a warship sailing onto dangerous waters”.
I now think Putin is a Putz.
Who’s your fav CNN anchor?
MSNBC?
LMAO. Whoops! :-)
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