Posted on 01/09/2022 12:07:43 PM PST by griffin
"The new rules seem to have hit a snag because no one at the Bureau considered the number of unfinished frames and receivers sitting in stores’ inventory. Now the ATF will be reaching out to licensed firearms dealers (FFLs) to see how many kits are currently for sale. The ATF is asking the dealers how long it would take to serialize those kits and what the FFL’s plan to do with the kits if a rule went into effect that would require serialization."
(Excerpt) Read more at ammoland.com ...
Once again CA leading the way in gun draconian laws.
They’ll see how ca did the serial numbers and duplicate it.
Beauty is CA’s BS regs allow grandfathered ATF Complaint SN’s, which had zero oversight on how the SN was done.
CA requires by law new 80% get a sn from ca’s doj. Can be done online for 50 bucks iirc.
I don’t know anyone whose done it, but it’s there.
The way Ca thinks, it won’t be long before they require you to list all the other guns and serial numbers to complete that application. That how they do this things.
“I wonder if this will be retroactive?”
Luckily, my tries at home machining years ago ended up as a lot of scrap to be thrown out.
Many if not most gunsmiths (all of the ones I know) are reluctant to touch a botched 80% build because by the time it's botched it's more than 80% complete, hence legally requires a serial number and a 4473 transfer to return to the customer, not to mention that it's very likely to cost more to fix an off-center hole, for example, than it is to purchase an entire new receiver. The ATF is barking up the wrong tree here and probably knows it.
I wonder why you couldn’t just engrave any ol’ number in there?
I wonder what the point of the whole exercise is unless the serial numbers are intended to be tied to some database.
Anyone building a firearm for themselves could just assign it serial number 1, if it was the first firearm they built for themselves, or just pick some random number.
That's why Random.org exists.
The square root of negative Pi. Yeah, that’s the ticket.
It seems nearly impossible to determine what would be an incomplete receiver, and what would be a block of metal. There would need to be a whole set of regulations or a law defining exactly how far along the part becomes an "incomplete receiver".
That seems like a critical issue, since even a licensed firearms manufacturer could end up shipping or having un-serialized incomplete receivers in existence during the manufacturing process. What happens if a firearms manufacturer decides to use an external CNC machine shop to do some work on their receivers before they finish the machining in house. Do they need to serialize the partially finished receivers?
ditto.
Actually, yes! Its a very tricky endeavor, that machining stuff.
Im sure by taking it to a ffl, per the ruling, the ffl reports the serial number to an atf log.
Or keeps it at the shop until the businbusiness goes belly up.
But if there isnt an atf log, how can the sn uniquness, w/r to other guns, be assured?
TOTALLY correct regarding manufacturing and part serialization and outside seservices.... Big headache.
It has been known for decades that guns are easy to make at home. The hard part is getting the tools and jigs and set up. Anyone remember the FIREPOWER MAGAZINE from the 1980s?
The Polish Underground in WW II used homemade sub machine guns against the Germans.
Same in SE Asia in the 1960s.
https://homemadeguns.wordpress.com/2014/08/01/homemade-semi-auto-pistols-part-1-vietnamese-copies/
https://www.forgottenweapons.com/viet-cong-handmade-luger-lookalike/
I remember an article in GUNS AND AMMO magazine back in 1970 talking about the problems of semi-auto guns, and ammo, being made, by prisoners, behind California Prison walls.
I would wager that there are lots and lots of frames and receivers as well as kits owned by people but not yet assembled.
One of my fears from reading the article, is that the ATF might want to return to the good old days of firearm manufacturing. What I mean by that is that it use to be that many rifle parts or pistol parts would have serial numbers or at least the last 4 or 5 digits on several parts to show that the firearm had been properly hand fitted.
If in say an AR, one needed to have a matching set of serial numbers on the lower, on the bolt carrier group, on the upper, the barrel and maybe the buffer tube, then that would be time consuming and costly. To say nothing of creating a nightmare when changing parts out.
P.S. The government, under the Bill of Rights is suppose to pay for the taking of private goods. If implemented, the ATF could be on the hook for a lot of products they effectively took by making illegal. Of course the Supreme Court could be stacked so that the Bill of Rights is meaningless.
Its crazy. Not well thought out seems to me.
Thats an interesting point.
Interesting specimens...
Brandon Herrera on youtube points out that until now, in the history of our nation, its always been your right to build your own firearm without government interference. These bureaucrats have no shame.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kf0BCpns31s
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