Posted on 08/14/2021 12:31:28 PM PDT by JustaTech
Mass vaccination in the middle of a pandemic is prone to promoting selection and adaptation of immune escape variants that are featured by increasing infectiousness and resistance to spike protein (S)-directed antibodies (Abs), thereby diminishing protection in vaccinees and threatening the unvaccinated.
(Excerpt) Read more at geertvandenbossche.org ...
His own link to his own blog, on YOUR article says the following:
1) I'm Edward Nirenberg, aspiring physician.
2) Note: Nothing on this site should be treated as medical advice. All medical inquiries should be answered by a qualified professional familiar with the patient in question’s specific medical history and nothing on this site is an appropriate substitute.
3) Your article is from March 15 according to your own site.
This is July.
You lose.
LOL!
I wonder if Edward is a FRoctor.
🤔
It’s even later than July.
It’s August.
Which makes his stuff even more outdated.
Thanks for the summary. I still don't think that explains why, in his view, vaccine-escape variants are worse for the unvaccinated than the many strains that are selected by immune-escape. Essentially that's every strain up to Delta perhaps further. I am aware of the claim that Delta appeared when "vaccinations started in India" But Delta appeared in February in Armedabad India. India was hit hard but it's unclear how much of that was Delta.
In the UK they had 99% Delta peak of 47,000 cases a day and 90 deaths a day. That's 0.2% CFR. Very early last year some freepers said let it spread and get more benign mutations. I think they were right about that although I definitely didn't think so at the time. Instead I thought we could magically avoid wide scale infection. Instead we had 120 million infections in the US (minimal CDC estimate).
A UIS would theoretically produce herd immunity.
If by herd immunity you mean eradication like measles was eradicated by vaccines, then I agree. But UIS is a made-up term, there are zero scientific sources on it. Perhaps there are papers on the equivalent of UIS by some other name. If so I am interested. If not, then I'll stick with the science.
The science says that vaccine resistant strains are possible, if not likely, created in vaccinated COVID patients. The science says that strains that evade natural immunity are likely, specifically coming from reinfection, and Delta looks like one of those. But there are no scientific sources saying that vaccine-resistant strains are more dangerous in any way to the unvaccinated. I will read through any scientific source that says otherwise. It will need to be written, not video.
NonValueAdded wrote: “I do believe that’s wrong. Even the CDC says the vaxxed can transmit.”
Strawman. No one has said the vaccines prevent all transmissions. The claim is they have significant effect in reducing transmission.
You are seeing what you want to see. I am seeing Delta bypassing vaccines. But Delta is the natural vaccine for UK with good spread and very low mortality. Only choices: mass infection with about 0.5% IFR (or less for Delta), or a combination of infection and vaccination, or perpetual lockdowns like Australia and New Zealand.
Your claim of vaccination increasing infection is unsupported. The best numbers are Mass, 10% per capita cases, 30-40% infection prior to vaccination. Among the vaccinated there are 0.2% per capita cases and 3-4 times more infection. Vaccination greatly reduces infection.
In other words you admit you were utterly wrong beyond the point of recovery, yet you insist on thinking anyone should give you any credit whatsoever, and kowtow to your exalted self-opinion as 100% correct.
Trolls like you shoved it down our throats regularly.
Now the percentages are magically dropping to 39%, 42%, in the 60s%, after six months.
(Trolls "like" you: I don't have the time to wade through the cesspool of all the lies you've posted to find the one where you said it, specifically. But even the Pfizer Barbie video was singing it: "95% there's no argument / got no contagion with my vaccination".)
And if they don't prevent transmission, and can't keep you from getting sick, there's no medical reason to take them.
Still less when these jabs have resulted in more deaths reported to VAERS than all other REAL vaccines *combined* since VAERS started: less than a year for the jabs vs decades for all the others.
The only real reason is this:
Ego, ambition, and turmoil: Inside one of biotech’s most secretive startups
Note the date.
2016.
Before OrangeManBad.
Before the Chinese Bioweapon.
Before the stolen election.
Before treasonous Mengele Faux-Xi.
This is about making a few people trillionaires, and making all the population a test-bed for a new technology that some autofellatory jackoff of an MBA has convinced himself will cure cancer.
Or, (by the way governments are acting, for a disease with a 99.7% recovery rate overall, and most deaths confined to the over-70 crowd, or those with severe comorbidities), for the "Great Reset".
You deliberately omitted Israel and Iceland.
Liar.
Are they 99% Delta? My comment was about Delta-infected countries like UK.
That was from a month ago. CNBC which is like, totally a rabid "anti-vaxxer" kook site that says the jabs will turn you into a monkey like Peter Hotez accused.
And you said in Post 49 this thread
" I should have been more exact in my phrasing. Vaccination does not make the virus more dangerous to the unvaccinated."
Which is ambiguous: do you mean "danger of BECOMING infected" or "danger of bad outcomes ONCE infected"?
Because current data from Iceland is showing delta increasing infection rates among the non-jabbed. Delta COVID Surge in Iceland Is Very Bad News for the U.S.
Yahoo! New / Daily Beast, today, again, a site liberal trolls like you worship.
Money quote:
Once COVID vaccines hit the market early this year, Iceland quickly secured enough doses for almost everyone. And people dutifully lined up to get their shots. Today, the country has administered 477,000 doses and 275,000 people have gotten at least one jab—77 percent of the total population. Add in people with natural immunity from past infection, and it’s likely that more than 80 percent of Iceland has some level of protection.
The 20 percent of Icelanders who didn’t get vaccinated or haven’t already had COVID are the ones now catching Delta, with the exception of a few breakthrough cases of vaccinated people. (Children under 16, who aren’t yet eligible for vaccination, make up most of the unvaccinated group.) A couple thousand people have tested positive in recent weeks, a spike in cases far exceeding the worst weekly case-rates from 2020.
But hospitalizations have not surged to the same degree as cases in this latest Icelandic surge. That’s because older Icelanders, as a group, are highly vaccinated. Younger people, who as a group are less vaccinated, are the ones getting infected now. They have a better chance of weathering COVID without serious symptoms. And the antibodies and T-cells their immune systems are producing could represent the last—or close to last—brick in Iceland’s wall of immunity.
NOTE ALSO -- that article admits that
the young can weather COVID without serious symptoms -- removing the very excuse for universal jabs
their natural immunity can complete herd immunity -- putting the final nail in the coffin behind the mad rush to jab everyone.
Lying troll.
grey_whiskers wrote: “And if they don’t prevent transmission, and can’t keep you from getting sick, there’s no medical reason to take them.”
More of your strawman arguments. You want to hold the COVID vaccines to a standard that no vaccine has ever achieved. How many vaccines can you name that have 100% effective conferred life long immunity?
Yet for some reason you insist that the covid vaccines are a failure because they cannot meet a standard that few, if any, vaccines, vaccines considered highly effective, can meet.
Deny, Accuse, Reverse Victim and Offender
which is the hallmark of bad faith.
We were told that the jabs have 95% effectiveness because SCIENCE!™
But the rate has fallen as low as 39% (Israel) within six months.
That's why the human efficacy trials should have been more than two months long.
And those trials were misleading because they only looked at antibodies to a modified spike protein; ignoring all the other antibodies produced by natural infection, including the majority being against nucleocapsid proteins.
Troll.
Ego, ambition, and turmoil: Inside one of biotech’s most secretive startups
Written in 2016.
Before the jabs.
Before the stolen election.
Before the China bioweapon.
Before OrangeManBad was elected.
Money quote:
"But interviews with more than 20 current and former employees and associates suggest Bancel has hampered progress at Moderna because of his ego, his need to assert control and his impatience with the setbacks that are an inevitable part of science. Moderna is worth more than any other private biotech in the US, and former employees said they felt that Bancel prized the company’s ever-increasing valuation, now approaching $5 billion, over its science." (snip)
"Lower-ranking employees, meanwhile, said they’ve been disappointed and confused by Moderna’s pivot to less ambitious — and less transformative — treatments. Moderna has pushed off projects meant to upend the drug industry to focus first on the less daunting (and most likely, far less lucrative) field of vaccines — though it is years behind competitors in that arena."
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