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To: TurtleDad
None of the current C-19 vaccines induces sterilizing immunity. They must not be used during a pandemic for they will merely drive immune escape and erode both, innate immunity (i.e., by breeding more infectious variants that exert enhanced infectious pressure, and thereby render younger age groups more susceptible to the disease) and acquired immunity (i.e., by driving viral resistance to neutralizing Abs).

Thanks for the summary. I still don't think that explains why, in his view, vaccine-escape variants are worse for the unvaccinated than the many strains that are selected by immune-escape. Essentially that's every strain up to Delta perhaps further. I am aware of the claim that Delta appeared when "vaccinations started in India" But Delta appeared in February in Armedabad India. India was hit hard but it's unclear how much of that was Delta.

In the UK they had 99% Delta peak of 47,000 cases a day and 90 deaths a day. That's 0.2% CFR. Very early last year some freepers said let it spread and get more benign mutations. I think they were right about that although I definitely didn't think so at the time. Instead I thought we could magically avoid wide scale infection. Instead we had 120 million infections in the US (minimal CDC estimate).

A UIS would theoretically produce herd immunity.

If by herd immunity you mean eradication like measles was eradicated by vaccines, then I agree. But UIS is a made-up term, there are zero scientific sources on it. Perhaps there are papers on the equivalent of UIS by some other name. If so I am interested. If not, then I'll stick with the science.

The science says that vaccine resistant strains are possible, if not likely, created in vaccinated COVID patients. The science says that strains that evade natural immunity are likely, specifically coming from reinfection, and Delta looks like one of those. But there are no scientific sources saying that vaccine-resistant strains are more dangerous in any way to the unvaccinated. I will read through any scientific source that says otherwise. It will need to be written, not video.

44 posted on 08/15/2021 4:26:03 AM PDT by palmer (Democracy Dies Six Ways from Sunday)
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To: palmer
In the UK they had 99% Delta peak of 47,000 cases a day and 90 deaths a day. That's 0.2% CFR. Very early last year some freepers said let it spread and get more benign mutations. I think they were right about that although I definitely didn't think so at the time.

In other words you admit you were utterly wrong beyond the point of recovery, yet you insist on thinking anyone should give you any credit whatsoever, and kowtow to your exalted self-opinion as 100% correct.

50 posted on 08/15/2021 7:03:28 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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