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I gotta do up a new banner for Windows 11 at this rate....
Posted on 06/30/2021 9:31:12 AM PDT by upchuck
The official announcement of Windows 11 last month brought both excitement and confusion for enthusiasts. A brand-new Windows operating system only comes around every few years, but Microsoft’s hardware requirements left many scratching their heads. Chief among them is the instance on mandatory TPM 2.0 modules and AMD Ryzen 2000 or 7th generation Intel Core (and newer) processors. The processor cutoff was particularly puzzling, considering that AMD’s first-generation Ryzen 1000 processors came out in 2017, which is not that old in the grand scheme of things. For example, the 8-core/16-thread Ryzen 7 1800X is still a perfectly acceptable processor for everyday productivity tasks.
After hearing the outcry from the PC community, Microsoft posted a new blog today detailing a rethink of its minimum system requirements. “As we release to Windows Insiders and partner with our OEMs, we will test to identify devices running on Intel 7th generation and AMD Zen 1 that may meet our principles,” wrote the Windows Team. “We’re committed to sharing updates with you on the results of our testing over time, as well as sharing additional technical blogs.”
The fact that Microsoft is looking into these older processors is promising, but there’s no guarantee that they’ll meet its performance standards for Windows 11.
(Excerpt) Read more at hothardware.com ...
Microsoft is trying to get most of their programs Cloud based, and that’s probably why. That way they do not have to put so much new hardware, and that helps keep the prices lower.
Microsoft is far behind the 8 ball. I think not having a successful smart phone makes it more difficult for them. Although because they dominated for so long it will take probably another 20 years before they run into any type of real trouble. This is because a good portion of the Internet still runs on Microsoft.
Bill Gates lost the race when he became more focused on depopulating the planet than keeping up with computer software. Apple and Google are now the dominant computing software and hardware. Do not get me wrong Microsoft is still very strong, but just not dominate like it was in the 1990 to 2010. They had a very good run, and it’s why they are still so powerful today.
As for Linux it spies on you too. However, it’s a lot harder to track since it’s not as popular as the others.
I have a good friend and co-worker on Lunux. He was saying it’s terrific, but you have to know what you are doing or you will be in trouble. He is really intelligent and has a degree in nuclear physics. To him he can work with it, but for me I am not that computer savvy. I just want the computer to work with point and click.
“What is it about an operating system that requires more and more processing power?”
It has been standard operating procedure for MS since the beginning. “Faster processor and BUS and more RAM? Cool! We can stick a whole bunch more unneeded bloat in there and slow it right back down again!”. They have some idea all those extra resources were designed just for them, not the user or anyone else.
And we keep letting them get away with it.
Since Bill Gates and Steve Balmer left Microsoft operations, the product has improved and Microsoft has shown greater respect and attentiveness to the customer. I'm not a fan boy. I used to exchange emails with Linus Torvalds 30 years ago at the naissance of Linux. Until this year, I probably never had more than an hour of time using Windows of any form. I'm a seasoned Linux user yet Microsoft has won my respect with a greater attention to product and security. I hate to say it, but Microsoft makes good stuff now.
By the way, Windows 11 allows you to run a full GUI Ubuntu Linux installation inside of Windows 11. No fuss, no muss, no configuration. It just works.
“As for Linux it spies on you too”
Could you share some references to this suggestion? Your own choice of browser maybe, or your own mistakes in using linux. But those are not Linux to blame.
Right now it is the most secure thing out there because of how it is designed with isolation between the system and user files.
Only you can can allow it to spy on you. And you have to passkey root it to do it. And it is not complicated like it used to be. Simple point and click that even my Grandkids use just fine.
I get the feeling this is going to be a hardware hog.
We used to joke at Intel that MS was the main demand for boosting CPU speed.
Since most notebooks don’t run more than 4 core, its going to be interesting to see the plan.
They’re not forcing anybody into anything. People are free to stay on their old OS and old computer.
Overkill but not wholly unnecessary. There are a lot of security tools on the market that rely on TPMs for crypto. I only see them as a net gain, not a wash or a loss, and while many DIY PC builders will likely forego the $60-$100 for a TPM on their mainboard, most OEMs include them without a mention, esp. in mobile devices.
But... Linux will... lol :)
https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxhardware/comments/g4pu5k/linux_on_a_8088_with_640kb_of_ram/
You can run most Linux distros on machines up to 10 or 15 years old.
Agreed. Then there's the new instruction sets within the new chips that aren't within the old chips. Imagine a robot working in a tire shop. Version 1.0 of the robot might have to be told by the programmer every detail on how to take a tire off (i.e. step 1: make sure air tools compressor is on, step 2: put air hammer in right hand, step 3: place air tool against topmost lugnut, etc.). Version 2.0 might have much of that detail built in so that the only things the programmer has to do is say: Step 1-- take the lugnuts off, step 2: remove wheel, etc.). If 90% of the tire shops have version 2.0 or higher of the robot it might not be worth your while to make new software backwards compatible to using version 1.0 as well. It's the same way when making program code (including code in the OS) backwards compatible.
Finally, there's bloat. We demand a lot more from our OS than we used to. I'm old enough to remember when no one expected an OS to have its own networking protocols, much less a web browser. The idea was an IT dept would install the networking protocols specific to their system. Those days are long gone. Now we want an OS to do the networking, the automatic OS updates, manage device drivers and keep them updated, (and in Windows case) sync with Outlook email and Teams, etc.
Still running a 2013 Dell XPS 8500 with a 3rd gen i7 processor, and it’s still smoking fast. I have upgraded the spin drive to an SSD, and swapped in a GeForce GTX150 Super graphics card. There’s no way in heck I’m going to allow MS turn a perfectly fine system into a brick on their whim, and there’s no way I’m spending another $2K+ on a new system. Guess it’ll be Linux when the time comes.
Older than that... even an 8088. :)
https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxhardware/comments/g4pu5k/linux_on_a_8088_with_640kb_of_ram/
“Guess it’ll be Linux when the time comes”
Wonder how many times before it will be “when the time comes?”
Win 10 was “The time”.
The time is now... Get a jump on it before you get caught with your pants down. I am so very glad I did, I now realize I should have done it sooner.
There is no shame in it, and those who would shame folks for doing it do not know what they are missing.
A Intel 7th generation processor is considered old?
Give me break. They will still selling them very recently at higher end prices. What a joke. Always forcing people to dish out money to buy buy buy more. And these are the same people talking about the environment. Replacing perfectly good stuff and throwing it away is not good for the environment.
I guess my 8088 just won’t do...................
My IMSAI 8080 just wont cut it. :(
How about my Post Versalog?
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Thanks to Perseverando for the ping!
I gotta do up a new banner for Windows 11 at this rate....
The TPM 2.0 requirement is not happening for the final Windows 11 release.
I would not be surprised if TPM 1.2 minimum was soon dropped to merely ‘strongly recommended’
In essence what you describe is a form of centralized control.
Take “state rights” to individualize away, make the power central, prevent imitations that individuals could use, make everyone use the no brainer — but you have to trust central control, and you should NOT trust it.
But make and distribute a VERSION of a that great centralized control system (with open source) that even the small guys can use and TRUST (and MODIFY with great individual ideas) without bribing and bowing to the deep state swamp) and you will have freedom, instead of world-wide control by unaccountable wokidoke communomarxistfascist criminal corporations.
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