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Question about Thucydides
Book: The Peloponnesian War ^ | Thucydides

Posted on 04/21/2021 12:31:26 PM PDT by AlienCrossfirePlayer

While listening to The Peloponnesian War translated by Benjamin Jowett and narrated by Charlton Griffin, I was puzzled by the way dates descended as time advanced. The dates were recalculated to reference a marking event more familiar to modern listeners (Anno Domini). My question: What was the marking event Thucydides used in his original?


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I've been puzzling about this for a long time. Are there any historians among us FReepers?
1 posted on 04/21/2021 12:31:26 PM PDT by AlienCrossfirePlayer
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To: AlienCrossfirePlayer

The Peloponnesian War (431–404 BC).


2 posted on 04/21/2021 12:36:07 PM PDT by Captain Compassion (I'm just sayin')
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To: AlienCrossfirePlayer

He started count when the war started and counted forward.


3 posted on 04/21/2021 12:41:57 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (May their path be strewn with Legos, may they step on them with bare feet until they repent. )
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Very interesting! Very logical! Thanks.


4 posted on 04/21/2021 12:48:17 PM PDT by AlienCrossfirePlayer (There is no right to protest, only a right to petition the government for redress of grievances.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

and it reads better that way too


5 posted on 04/21/2021 12:48:51 PM PDT by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary that good men do nothing)
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To: AlienCrossfirePlayer

At the time Thucydides was writing, each city-state had their own method of placing events in a timeline, involving references to religious or political leaders. He marks the beginning of the war in reference to events in Argos, Sparta, and Athens, so that it would be understood by as wide an audience as possible.
https://erenow.net/ancient/the-landmark-thucydides-a-comprehensive-guide-to-the-peloponnesian-war/24.php


6 posted on 04/21/2021 12:51:09 PM PDT by Burkean (. )
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To: AlienCrossfirePlayer

Message from a Time Traveler
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1610142/posts


7 posted on 04/21/2021 12:53:39 PM PDT by TopDog2 (Onward Christian soldiers)
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To: AlienCrossfirePlayer

Afraid I can’t answer your question.
But I have read at least 3 translations of Thucydides’ The Peloponnesian War and the Benjamin Jowett translation you reference is BY FAR the best.


8 posted on 04/21/2021 1:03:12 PM PDT by cjjj (Just love George Soros' products)
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To: AlienCrossfirePlayer

The answer to your question is complicated. Ancient Greeks used lunar months, and solar years, but Athenians had several “calendars” that started at different times of the year (a Festival calendar; a Political calendar (starting approx. midsummer when the new archon was installed), and Military, which started in Spring. The ancient Greeks in general reckoned dates in relation to 4 year Olympiads and who was in power or other “fixed” events. Exactly which of these Thucydides used in The Peloponnesian War or whether he was “consistent” is way beyond me. Hats off to the scholars who have related it all to modern systems, even if the result is imperfect.


9 posted on 04/21/2021 1:28:14 PM PDT by Chewbarkah
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To: AlienCrossfirePlayer

Maybe this will help.
I remember a Mad Magazine gag from a few decades ago that had cheerleader-type cheers for an Ivy League school. Here it goes :

Themistocles
Thucydedes
Peloponesian War
X-squared
Y-squared
H 2 S O 4

Well, I suppose this probably won’t help.


10 posted on 04/21/2021 1:36:18 PM PDT by Reynoldo (BurnLootMurder)
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Message from a Time Traveler

How the hell did I miss that? Thanks for posting a link to it.

11 posted on 04/21/2021 1:51:37 PM PDT by zeugma (Stop deluding yourself that America is still a free country.)
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It was a long time ago. I’m glad I saved the link to the FR thread. I don’t think the authors website is still there.


12 posted on 04/21/2021 1:56:28 PM PDT by TopDog2 (Onward Christian soldiers)
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To: TopDog2

Sadly the link in that post is no longer active.


13 posted on 04/21/2021 2:12:14 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit)
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To: reed13k
Yep.

Year One, Fall

Year Two, Winter

I might need to haul my copy out and do a re-read.

14 posted on 04/21/2021 2:47:53 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (May their path be strewn with Legos, may they step on them with bare feet until they repent. )
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To: AlienCrossfirePlayer
I love Thucydides. One of my greatest pleasures was reading The Peloponnesian War in Greece, some of it on the Peloponnesian Peninsula at the site of Sparta.
15 posted on 04/21/2021 2:58:28 PM PDT by Savage Beast ("A nation of sheep will be controlled by wolves.")
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To: AlienCrossfirePlayer

This is a pretty common question, and the answer is perhaps a bit complicated. Around about 431 BC, the Athenians invented central heating, where buildings were warmed by heated air that was circulated through flues laid in the floor (see for example, the Great Temple of Ephesus). Certain Greek philosophers including Aristotle speculated that the warm air emerging from these buildings would eventually cause the world to reach a “vrasmós” or boiling point which would extinguish all life in approximately 12 years. So each time Thucydides wrote of another event in the war, he referenced the number of years left.


16 posted on 04/21/2021 3:04:06 PM PDT by edwinland
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To: Pontiac

The entire story is in the FR thread. It’s a good one.


17 posted on 04/21/2021 3:04:57 PM PDT by TopDog2 (Onward Christian soldiers)
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To: AlienCrossfirePlayer

Greeks dated everything from the first Olympiad (776 B.C).


18 posted on 04/21/2021 4:46:06 PM PDT by attiladhun2
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To: TopDog2

I went looking for the story on line else where and found it linked in this article back to the post. You linked to

https://io9.gizmodo.com/the-mystery-of-dan-simmons-5058996


19 posted on 04/22/2021 6:35:14 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit)
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To: Pontiac

FR must be the only place it’s available online.


20 posted on 04/22/2021 10:03:40 AM PDT by TopDog2 (Onward Christian soldiers)
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