Number of COVID vaccine injuries reported to VAERS surpasses 50,000, CDC data show

Children's Defense Fund via NOQ Report ^ | 04/05/2021

[2aProtectsTheRest]

"So you also don’t believe the “Not Serious” number of 18,686 means anything, right?"

It may mean something. It may mean nothing. The proper use for that data is to model it against known baselines and investigation deviations from normal, based on the studied cohorts. Neither you nor I know whether the events listed are happening at a normal background frequency unless we're actually studying the dataset.

In other words, if between 900 and 1100 people fall and break their hips in a normal January - March timeframe and 975 people fell and broke their hips January - March, then do those falls mean anything? Do they mean the vaccine is causing people to fall down? Should that number be zero suddenly because of the vaccine?

The obvious answer in that example is that the 975 falls likely mean nothing because they're well within the normal range. But some here will trot those numbers out and rant about how 975 people have fallen and people who are pro-vaccine don't even care about the evil vaccine making everyone fall over.

[bagster]

I know of a man who got the vax.

A week later, he was shot and killed in a home invasion.

The body was transported to the hospital pending coroner. The event was reported by medical staff to VAERS as a potential adverse effect of taking the vax.

The VAERS ID for home invasion/gunshot homicide is 188188188.

Look it up.

Just kidding. But you get my pernt, right?

p.s. You realize that, if your wet dream comes true and every single American gets the fake Chinese vax, then everything from a hangnail to a bad hair day to terrorist attack will have to be reported as a potential adverse effect.

Oh, and slipping on the ice.

[2aProtectsTheRest]

"My next door neighbor got the vax. The next day a piano fell on his head. It was reported to VAERS as a potential 'adverse effect' from taking the vax. Just kidding. "

I know you're kidding, but that seriously would be recorded in VAERS. 100%. It's a death, which is an adverse event, VAERS ID 10011906. By law, this would be recorded in VAERS. That's literally how this all works.

From the VAERS website itself:

"Serious adverse events regardless of causality"

Doesn't matter if a piano fell on your friend; it's still getting recorded in VAERS by law.

[frogjerk]

In my situation, I had Covid and easily beat it, it is not worth the risk for me to get vaccinated with one that is for emergency use and one where there are no long studies of it.

[bagster]

But some here will trot those numbers out and rant about how 975 people have fallen and people who are pro-vaccine don't even care about the evil vaccine making everyone fall over.

No they won't.

Cause common sense 'anti-covid vaxxers' know the difference between slipping on the ice and having a stroke or a heart attack or having your entire body light up like you caught on fire and they put you out with a gallon of gas, or a miscarriage.

(seen the pics)

[2aProtectsTheRest]

If the fall requires medical intervention (such as falling and breaking a hip) then they 100% are. It’s literally required by law for healthcare providers to report all adverse EVENTS (not just reactions, every single event) that happens after a vaccination. Doesn’t matter if a piano falls on your head; it goes into VAERS.

See also: https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3948022/posts?page=23#23

[2aProtectsTheRest]

Too late, they’re already running around with the VAERS numbers as though they actually indicate real vaccine injuries rather than simply adverse events that occurred some time after a vaccination.

[SeekAndFind]

Here’s an interesting question — how long will your natural antibodies confer defense against Covid vs. the antibodies provided by the vaccine?

A second question — Will your antibodies be effective against the variants, vs the vaccines?

[surroundedbyblue]

Liar

[bagster]

Well, anyway. I've seen it stated that VAERS covid adverse events are topping the list of all vaccines in only a matter of months, beating out vaccines that have been in use for decades.

How do you account for that, if ALL (even obviously unrelated events) are reported.

My theory is this. The vax is unsafe and an increase in 'adverse events' shows that, whether they are slipping on the ice or pianos on the head.

Cipher out the percentage in all other vax's obviously not related reportage and you get closer to the real number, deaths included.

I further hypothesise that 'non related' events are a tiny fraction of the true number.

Which leaves us with an unsafe vaxx that you're trying to whitewash for some unknown reason.

[RC one]

It’s BS. I know the person who submits the data to VAERS for a major hospital. We’ve talked about this many times. None of the reactions are related to the vaccine itself but they still have to be reported because of the timing. She has submitted 10 reports to VAERS in the past month and only one of them was actually a vaccine related problem and it was so minor it was very minor. But I know you won’t believe this.

[surroundedbyblue]

Can you show me this “law” mandating healthcare reports report adverse vaccine events? I’m not aware of such a law and I’ve been a healthcare worker since 1997.

I am aware that the law requires me to report any suspicion of child abuse (physical, sexual, emotional, and situations of neglect), but this VAERS requirement is news to me

[SeekAndFind]

I am at this point, NEUTRAL regarding the cause and effect of the vaccines on those who have experienced after-vaccine adverse reactions.

But I think you are being unfair to 2aProtectsTheRest by calling him a liar in your response to his post # 5 above. After all, he did provide the CDC link in his post.

Here is what the CDC states ( copy and paste) :

“When evaluating data from VAERS, it is important to note that for any reported event, no cause-and-effect relationship has been established. Reports of all possible associations between vaccines and adverse events (possible side effects) are filed in VAERS. Therefore, VAERS collects data on any adverse event following vaccination, be it coincidental or truly caused by a vaccine. The report of an adverse event to VAERS is not documentation that a vaccine caused the event.”

You might as well call the folks at CDC liars.

[RC one]

I’m friends with the person who investigates and reports adverse drug reactions to VAERS for a major hospital. She has reported 10 post Covid ADRs and only one of them was related to Covid and it was very minor. I have personally vaccinated hundreds of people. When they come back for dose two, we always ask them how they did after dose 1. Only one or two people that I have talked to described any kind of significant reaction.

[Fury]

As noted yesterday, these threads have a significant signal to noise ratio.

There’s enough information out there for each person to make a data informed decision.

But at the end of the day, it is each person’s decision. And FReepers need to accept that - and move on.

Some of the worst offending issues are 1) mask wearing and 2) vaccines. Good grief, people. Don’t get so wrapped around the axle that others don’t see COVID-19 issues the same as you or make the same decision as you. Provide references for your positions and argue as politely as possible. That’s all you can do.

[bagster]

None of the reactions are related to the vaccine itself but they still have to be reported because of the timing. She has submitted 10 reports to VAERS in the past month and only one of them was actually a vaccine related problem and it was so minor it was very minor.

Cool how you contradict your own self within two sentences.

Tell us more, doctor. I promise Ill believe you.

[bagster]

You might as well call the folks at CDC liars.

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[bagster]

Only one or two people that I have talked to described any kind of significant reaction.

But didn't you just say.....?

Ah, what's the use.

[ConservativeMind]

In other words, if between 900 and 1100 people fall and break their hips in a normal January - March timeframe and 975 people fell and broke their hips January - March, then do those falls mean anything? Do they mean the vaccine is causing people to fall down? Should that number be zero suddenly because of the vaccine?

The issue with your example is that actual medical people are filling out under threat of arrest these individual findings as being truly anomalous for the norm in their professional experience.

[RC one]

The one reaction that could be attributed to the vaccine was so minor that, for all intents and purposes, it wasn’t a reaction. I’m not going to say what it was because it’s none of your business but it was probably more closely related to anxiety.