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Posted on 01/04/2021 12:44:04 PM PST by Red Badger
I don’t know if I want to call it toxic masculinity. But Holmes is definitely a jerk. And they did a good job with that in the Cumberpatch series. Also a good job with visual depiction of him picking up small clues, those little graphics were cool.
If we talk about toxic masculinity, we need to give fair time to toxic feminism.
*crickets*
The writer of this krep exhibits signs of toxic femininity and retardation. In fact, could be the poster child for them.
tradcon women hero
yet smart enough to not be involved with women
I actually liked the Cumberbatch version of Sherlock. At least the first 2 seasons. The writers lost something between seasons 2 and 3.
But, I’m borderline-ASD myself, and I recognized a lot of my own behaviors in him. My obsession is different than his, but it’s just as consuming. And he’s one of very few TV characters that doesn’t spend half his time bed-hopping. The episode “The Blind Banker” actually does a pretty good job showing what my thought process is usually like.
I think the writer of this article would have serious problems with me. She’d just have to find another label to slap on it, since I’m a woman and supposedly am not capable of “toxic masculinity”. But I hope I never meet her, because she sounds like the toxic one.
Miss Marple, Nancy Drew, and J.B Fletcher come to mind.
Holmes was Sheldon Cooper 1.0! w/o the hot blond.
Good grief. People like the author are just so obssesssed with their imaginary grievances and ever-multiplying jargon that they can’t even enjoy a good mystery story with a great character in a well-written set of stories that still have enough readers to have been in print for over 100 years.
What has Ms. Idiot ever written that is likely to command that kind of audience?
Holmes is a riddle, wrapped in an enigma..
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0K8hJMKRqWc&list=PLmHgXUJMN1TVtqyVXJ4D3ozPxgwpV-UpQ <<
Years ago I watched and enjoyed all the videos of that series. If I recall correctly, that’s an especially mild-mannered version of Holmes. He’s actually likeable.
In general Holmes isn’t. I don’t care about his “male toxicity” but don’t like him as a person. Extremely talented characters in fiction — especially geniuses — are often given defects to counterbalance somewhat their talent. People want some likeable characters in stories, though (at least I do, if the story has much length). In the case of Holmes there’s his sidekick Watson to provide a more human touch. With Poirot there’s Hastings.
The gruff surgeon is another stereotype. Doc Martin, having become a general practitioner because of a glaring weakness (a blood phobia), is an example. He wishes people well, but is gruff and inconsiderate, way below average in social skills. That’s forgiven — usually — because of the great good he does.
the author is not Beth Daley, from what I see, but:
Ashley Morgan, Masculinities Scholar, Cardiff Metropolitan University
Hat, pipe, and brains. :-)
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And Amelia Peabody!
Cool.
Did you watch the other Tv series (also in black and white) but this time with Basil Rathbone playing Holmes?
If I recall correctly, that's an especially mild-mannered version of Holmes. He's actually likeable.
Yes
In general Holmes isn't. I don't care about his “male toxicity” but don't like him as a person. Extremely talented characters in fiction — especially geniuses — are often given defects to counterbalance somewhat their talent. People want some likeable characters in stories, though (at least I do, if the story has much length). In the case of Holmes there's his sidekick Watson to provide a more human touch. With Poirot there's Hastings.
All true
Dear Ms. Daley,
Your short freshman English essay on Sherlock Holmes has the potential to be interesting, but it suffers from an unfortunate tendency to view this fictional Victorian character by the standards or the current era. The political references are gratuitous and detract further from its readability. I’m afraid the best I can offer is a C-minus.
Professor Wigglesworth
She’s “currently conducting qualitative research on masculinity and baldness.” Can’t wait!
>> “the author is not Beth Daley, from what I see, but: Ashley Morgan, Masculinities Scholar, Cardiff Metropolitan University” <<
I didn’t mention Beth Daley, and don’t understand why that observation was addressed to me, but “Masculinities Scholar” — what a title! :-)
>> “Did you watch the other Tv series (also in black and white) but this time with Basil Rathbone playing Holmes?” <<
Yes, I doubt if I’ve missed any of the old shows and movies, but haven’t kept up with recent or current versions.
Maybe men like the mysteries more than the characters that solve them, but at least some of us females like the combination of the two, since interesting characters make far more interesting stories than just solving a mystery.
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