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The Sandman Writer Neil Gaiman Explains Why Franchises Like Star Wars And Star Trek Have Lost Significant Portions Of Their Fan Bases
Bounding Into Comics ^ | October 16, 2020 | John Trent

Posted on 10/27/2020 1:49:21 PM PDT by tbw2

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To: Wilhelm Tell

Netflix has the original series rated TV14 with a “sex, fear” warning. Seriously.


61 posted on 10/27/2020 5:09:21 PM PDT by Overtaxed (Ephesians 6:12)
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To: gbunch

The expanse had a lot of promise but degenerated into cheap, crude porn. Half the dialog is f bombs.


62 posted on 10/27/2020 5:09:58 PM PDT by hopespringseternal
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To: Dr. Sivana

I like Kirby, but it was before my time. I always thought Alan Davis had a beautiful clean line for super hero comics.

Freegards


63 posted on 10/27/2020 5:43:44 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: tbw2

That’s a no-brainer - political correctness and wokeness ruined them both.


64 posted on 10/27/2020 6:50:56 PM PDT by simpson96
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To: tbw2

Gaiman is correct!!

...and a very good writer


65 posted on 10/27/2020 7:01:17 PM PDT by Melinator2 (Normal Life Please!!)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

“In the Pale Moonlight” is a fantastic episode


66 posted on 10/27/2020 9:11:22 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Vote Giant Meteor in 2020)
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To: hopespringseternal

Respectfully, I could not disagree more. The Expanse uses f-bombs far less than many shows. With regard to describing the series as “cheap porn”, I only recall 2 sex scenes in the entire 4 seasons, and neither one showed so much as an exposed breast.


67 posted on 10/27/2020 10:08:51 PM PDT by gbunch
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To: tbw2

The thing about comics, the back issues exist. Same with tv shows. Same with movies. Same with books.

If you tell me Batman is now a transgender Muslim who believes in Black Lives Matter, I shrug my shoulders and enjoy the past. You can’t force me to read or consume woke entertainment.


68 posted on 10/27/2020 10:14:07 PM PDT by goodolemr
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To: gbunch

I can’t imagine what you could find to watch to make expanse look like what you are describing by comparison.


69 posted on 10/28/2020 8:41:53 AM PDT by hopespringseternal
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To: newzjunkey
It settled Sisko as my favorite captain. Picard would have been way too prissy and Kirk would have been too honorable to even think about it.

Sisko looked at it and coldly calculated that it was going save his people so the sacrifice was more then worth it

70 posted on 10/28/2020 9:13:17 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (And lead us not into hysteria, but deliver us from the handwashers. Amen!)
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To: Junk Silver

Refused to pay for “CBS All Access” to see Discovery.

My son bought season 1 for me on bluray. As soon as the two “crewmen” kissed, I popped it out of the player and threw the whole collection away. -— BYE.


71 posted on 10/28/2020 10:22:53 AM PDT by HeadOn (Love God. Lead your family. Be a man.)
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To: HeadOn

Star Trek Discovery is a textbook example of awkward pedantic “wokeness” destroying what could be an interesting story.

I don’t mind gay characters, but Discovery’s obsession with featuring long scenes of their token gay couple being affectionate with each other is ridiculous, preachy and nauseating.

There would never be extended scenes of heterosexual couples hugging and kissing in a well written sci-fi drama, because those scenes add nothing to the storytelling.


72 posted on 10/28/2020 10:59:39 AM PDT by Junk Silver (Calling an Antifa protest "Mostly peaceful" is like saying your girlfriend is "Mostly not pregnant".)
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To: Junk Silver

Bingo.


73 posted on 10/28/2020 1:05:39 PM PDT by HeadOn (Love God. Lead your family. Be a man.)
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To: tbw2

Pretty much agreed, though I’d also go as far as to add in another bit to the argument. Neil Gaiman’s explanation also applies even to the guys who originally created the work in the first place, as Star Wars and Star Trek’s ruining ended up occurring in large part BECAUSE of their original creators thinking just because they created it, that automatically means they can force in their political views and philosophies regardless of whether the fans wanted it or not. The dork elements of, say, The Next Generation that involved Picard and that empath occurred while Gene Roddenberry was in firm control. Ironically, it was only after his death that it actually started to get good (from what I heard, anyway). And let’s not forget all the infamous bad elements of Return to the Jedi such as the Ewoks and even Obi-Wan essentially promoting moral relativism, to say little about the Prequel Trilogy and the controversial stuff on that front all occurred under George Lucas’s watch.


74 posted on 11/06/2020 8:43:39 AM PST by otness_e
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To: tbw2

You might appreciate a recent interview with the author of Hazardous Imaginings: The Mondo Book of Politically Incorrect Science Fiction.

An Interview with Author Andrew Fox
https://libertyislandmag.com/2020/11/07/an-interview-with-author-andrew-fox/


75 posted on 11/08/2020 7:16:24 AM PST by tbw2
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

You might appreciate a recent interview with the author of Hazardous Imaginings: The Mondo Book of Politically Incorrect Science Fiction.

An Interview with Author Andrew Fox
https://libertyislandmag.com/2020/11/07/an-interview-with-author-andrew-fox/


76 posted on 11/08/2020 7:16:50 AM PST by tbw2
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To: Republican Wildcat

You might appreciate a recent interview with the author of Hazardous Imaginings: The Mondo Book of Politically Incorrect Science Fiction.

An Interview with Author Andrew Fox
https://libertyislandmag.com/2020/11/07/an-interview-with-author-andrew-fox/


77 posted on 11/08/2020 7:17:01 AM PST by tbw2
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To: tbw2

Sadly much of the “source material” is now unreadable dreck in the comic book arena.

It’s not hard to figure out, respect them source material and you are okay... turn it into SJW crap, and lose followers.

I don’t need every show or book I read to have a gay character, especially when there is absolutely no reason for me to know or care they are gay. Some incidental character that has no bearing on the plot in any way and I know nothing about at all, but damn sure better make sure we know they are gay?!?

Unknown and unidentified male underling delivering message from someone... never saw before, and will never see again..

Underling: “Message for you sir.”

Main Character: “Thank you.”

Underling:”Glad I got it to you in time I now I can make it home on time for my date with my husband”


78 posted on 11/08/2020 7:23:59 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: colorado tanker

T’Pol’s only reason for being on the show was she was easy on the eyes.

Enterprise was horrible, broke cannon everywhere.

Had a promising premise and the effed it to hell I the very first episode introducing time travel stupidity to it.

Let’s see we discover dead Borg, but no one has ever heard of them, or find no info about them when the run into them in TNG.

Archer is supposedly so pivotal to the creation of the Federation.. yet no one ever mentioned him anywhere before..

Pompous lectures about how humanity has evolved past war and poverty in the last “100” years to anyone who will listen.

It was by far the worst of the Star Trek series, and I’m including Voyager in that.

The premise was nice had tons of potential, but just flushed it into the toilet from day one.


79 posted on 11/08/2020 7:29:22 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: tbw2

Thank you! Looks like my kind of book/site! :)


80 posted on 11/08/2020 7:30:10 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust post-Apocalyptic skill set.)
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