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The Sandman Writer Neil Gaiman Explains Why Franchises Like Star Wars And Star Trek Have Lost Significant Portions Of Their Fan Bases
Bounding Into Comics ^ | October 16, 2020 | John Trent

Posted on 10/27/2020 1:49:21 PM PDT by tbw2

The Sandman and American Gods author Neil Gaiman recently pointed out the obvious that franchises risk alienating their fans if they don’t stick to the source material.

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TOPICS: Books/Literature; Music/Entertainment
KEYWORDS: comics; culture; entertainment; getwokegobroke; johntrent; neilgaiman; schlock; sciencefiction; scifi; startrek; starwars; thesandman
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To: tbw2

Loading up entertainment with too much propaganda will turn it to sh__. Media is getting way too big, and needs to be broken up.


41 posted on 10/27/2020 3:43:50 PM PDT by virgil (The evil that men do lives after them)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

I agree to a point.

However look at the example of Star Wars. A great IP. Huge sandbox to play in. Yet the director set about destroying it and was successful.

Something like the MCU was very successful, but I expect it to be trashed by some writer who wants a gay disabled trans super hero and gets handed Firestorm as their character.


42 posted on 10/27/2020 3:46:07 PM PDT by redgolum (If this culture today is civilization, I will be the barbarian)
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To: PLMerite

"You are OBSOLETE!"

43 posted on 10/27/2020 3:53:10 PM PDT by The MAGA-Deplorian (It is the Trump way! It is the only way!)
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To: tbw2

that franchises risk alienating their fans if they don’t stick to the source material.

Will someone explain this to Pope Francis...


44 posted on 10/27/2020 4:01:53 PM PDT by TalBlack
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To: TalBlack

“Is the Pope Catholic?” is no longer a rhetorical question.


45 posted on 10/27/2020 4:08:54 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: Prolixus

TNG had three good seasons ... The middle ones. The first two were a bit lame as the characters developed. The last two seasons are garbage for the most part. There are a couple of gems in those poor seasons, but I can’t sit through most of them.

Voyager was horrible. It is not worth watching unless 7 of 9 is on the screen. The captain sounds like she’s trying to impersonate Yoda speaking perfect english. The crew is about as boring as they come. That morale officer needed blown out of an airlock with Kes about three episodes into the series. And, finally, every damn episode had some kind of proto-SJW ending. Terrible series all around.


46 posted on 10/27/2020 4:11:29 PM PDT by edh
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To: tbw2
Star Wars was originally a good-old-fashioned-swashbuckler movie, with cool science fiction mixed in.

It was made in reaction to all the "socially conscious" movies made in the mid-1970's.

Star Wars went off the rails when it started taking itself too seriously.

47 posted on 10/27/2020 4:17:25 PM PDT by MuttTheHoople (What if the Lord sent COVID-19 to immunize the world from something more deadly?)
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To: Prolixus

TNG is tolerable.

Forget Deep Snore Nine; Boreager; and Enter Sandman with Backula.

Watched first 4 of Discover Crap when CBS put it the network. Total garbage.


48 posted on 10/27/2020 4:24:20 PM PDT by Fledermaus (ONLY A MORON THINKS 6 FEET IS A MAGIC NUMBER!)
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To: Republican Wildcat

80% was just redoing the first 3 movies.


49 posted on 10/27/2020 4:25:27 PM PDT by Fledermaus (ONLY A MORON THINKS 6 FEET IS A MAGIC NUMBER!)
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To: colorado tanker

Socks. Hated it. Destroyed canon.


50 posted on 10/27/2020 4:26:29 PM PDT by Fledermaus (ONLY A MORON THINKS 6 FEET IS A MAGIC NUMBER!)
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To: tbw2

Never heard of The Sandman


51 posted on 10/27/2020 4:27:48 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco
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To: Junk Silver

No lie, Discover Crap!


52 posted on 10/27/2020 4:28:26 PM PDT by Fledermaus (ONLY A MORON THINKS 6 FEET IS A MAGIC NUMBER!)
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To: epluribus_2

But, you know, heroes are just doubleplusungood avatars of the evil male patriarchy here to oppress us. They must be written out of the public entertainment, lest they be emulated!


53 posted on 10/27/2020 4:30:33 PM PDT by Kommodor (Make America Detroit Again - Vote Democrat! :P)
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To: edh

Okay, I was being a little “dramatic” in my criticism of TNG. The earlier episodes have some action and depth and I’ve sat through them. At some point TNG became a soap opera.

TOS, TNG, DS9, and Voyager run on Boston area station TV38 Mon-Fri starting a 8:00 PM:

https://www.ontvtonight.com/guide/listings/channel/4190725434/wsbk-heroes-icons.html


54 posted on 10/27/2020 4:34:39 PM PDT by Prolixus (In all seriousness:)
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To: redgolum
However look at the example of Star Wars. A great IP. Huge sandbox to play in. Yet the director set about destroying it and was successful.

You might think that they've destroyed it, but they've recouped their initial $4 billion investment, they continue to make hundreds of millions a year on licensing, and The Mandalorian is the biggest thing on Disney+, driving a good chunk of their subscriptions. And in a few years, they'll reboot the franchise.

55 posted on 10/27/2020 4:50:02 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("The rat always knows when he's in with weasels."--Tom Waits)
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To: PLMerite

And you could see it coming for years.

Bradbury saw it much sooner than the rest of us.


56 posted on 10/27/2020 4:51:05 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: wally_bert

Yes, Babylon 5 is the crown jewel of television sci-fi. Back when TNG was coddling hostile aliens and exploring feelings, I was enjoying great characters, plot lines which spanned millennia, and leaders who destroyed their enemies and stood up for what is right. SO many great moments in that series...

Can’t resist posting one of them:

“Who am I? I am Susan Ivanova. Commander. Daughter of Andrei and Sophie Ivanov. I am the right hand of vengeance, and the boot that is going to kick your sorry ass all the way back to Earth, sweetheart! I am Death Incarnate, and the last living thing that you are ever going to see.
God sent me.”
(Opens fire, unleashing hell upon her enemy.)

For decades, my top tier of TV science fiction had only 2 members: B5 and the equally amazing Firefly. To my great surprise, and after reading EVERY novel, novella, and short story, and watching every minute, I recently elevated The Expanse into that select group. The TV series is faithful to the books thus far. Like B5, it must be watched completely and patiently, as far-reaching events and multifaceted characters develop and eventually come together. It is deep and complex, but not for complexity’s sake. It’s just that big of a story, as was B5.

And I’ll say this: Even after reading everything except the finale novel (which isn’t finished yet) I am STILL unsure how it will end. There is SO much to the universe of The Expanse, and exploring it is one helluva ride.

If you haven’t seen it, start watching it. Season 5 drops on December 16th. If you have watched it, but haven’t read the books, HANG ON! Believe it or not, you ain’t seen nothing yet...


57 posted on 10/27/2020 4:53:00 PM PDT by gbunch
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To: tbw2

As a Trekkie, I’m not at all interested in the new Trek series about teens stealing a spaceship. Why not teens at Starfleet Academy and interpersonal conflicts between the races. I know that my nephew wrote a fan fiction about Starfleet Academy, which is floating around the net, back about 10 years ago.


58 posted on 10/27/2020 4:56:03 PM PDT by Deplorable American1776 (Proud to be a DeplorableAmerican with a Deplorable family...even the dog ixs, too. :-) Trump 2020t)
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To: gbunch

I haven’t kept up on novelizations in forever.

Some of the Techno-mage saga is the last ones I remember reading.

Crusade died due to TnT stupidity. It could have been so much.

JMS goes into a of detail in his autobiography.


59 posted on 10/27/2020 4:58:07 PM PDT by wally_bert (I cannot be sure for certain, but in my personal opinion I am certain that I am not sure.)
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To: metmom

Librarians are the biggest leftists ever. On a local level trim your library budget.


60 posted on 10/27/2020 5:04:23 PM PDT by Chickensoup (Voter ID for 2020!! Leftists totalitarian fascists appear to be planning to eradicate conservatives)
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