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The Sandman Writer Neil Gaiman Explains Why Franchises Like Star Wars And Star Trek Have Lost Significant Portions Of Their Fan Bases
Bounding Into Comics ^ | October 16, 2020 | John Trent

Posted on 10/27/2020 1:49:21 PM PDT by tbw2

The Sandman and American Gods author Neil Gaiman recently pointed out the obvious that franchises risk alienating their fans if they don’t stick to the source material.

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TOPICS: Books/Literature; Music/Entertainment
KEYWORDS: comics; culture; entertainment; getwokegobroke; johntrent; neilgaiman; schlock; sciencefiction; scifi; startrek; starwars; thesandman
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To: colorado tanker

OK. This is seriously retro. Movies? TV?

What about video games?

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Star_Wars_video_games

Even if you don’t build your own system, you could probably get a pretty good (”pre-built”) one for under $1200.

Not quite the Witcher for blood and guts, but at least combative.


21 posted on 10/27/2020 2:38:49 PM PDT by Blagden Alley
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To: tbw2
I chuckled to myself when I read that Sandman writer Neil Gaiman was concerned about messing with the source material. His own incarnation of The Sandman is VERY far removed from the original DC Comics Sandman in 1939.


22 posted on 10/27/2020 2:39:15 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: tbw2

It is because failed writers would rather steal someone’s else’s IP than create their own.

As a result, I am buying more dead tree books in preparation for the day when Bozos decides to rewrite all ebooks to his liking


23 posted on 10/27/2020 2:42:16 PM PDT by redgolum (If this culture today is civilization, I will be the barbarian)
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To: tbw2

They start out good and then go off the rails and change what people liked about them in the first place.

It seems that they always trying to out PC and CG each other and the last episode.

No thanks.

I like stories as a kind of escape from reality. I don’t want all the current issues shoved in my face all the time in an effort indoctrinate me to the latest groupthink.


24 posted on 10/27/2020 2:45:27 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: tbw2

I don’t know how much input Neil Gaiman had on the American Gods TV series, but it featured absolutely disgusting and graphic gay sex scenes. Exactly the kind of stuff that causes the effect he describes. That is, people like me walking away from the franchise. Sounds like he is guilty of doing the same thing he accuses others of doing.


25 posted on 10/27/2020 2:46:16 PM PDT by ETCM
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To: colorado tanker
Instead they messed up Luke and Leia and killed off Han to replace them mostly with characters holding little interest for me and plots that made no sense.

Yup, when they divorced Leia and Han and then killed Han off, that was it for me.

And they ruined Luke, too.

26 posted on 10/27/2020 2:50:22 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: redgolum

I was going to get rid of some of my books figuring that I could get them from the library.

Wrongo.......

They are even censoring and pulling Little House on the Prairie because of cultural sensitivities, as told me by a librarian when I was looking for one to read.

That did it.

I’m keeping all my old books and CDs and DVDs. I don’t want to hear that I can stream it. Big media is censoring and reworking too much these days.

I don’t want them messing with classics.


27 posted on 10/27/2020 2:54:06 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Republican Wildcat

“there was no storyline or plan to tell a story in the latest Star Wars trilogy”

That’s not really true. JJ Abrams had an entire trilogy mapped out with the plot threads set up in the first movie, but they fired him and Rian Johnson intentionally burned everyone one of those “setups” so they had nothing for the third movie.


28 posted on 10/27/2020 3:02:11 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Flick Lives; Prolixus

DS9 was one ST series that got better as the seasons progressed. At least that’s how I remembered it, LOL. Sisko’s character growth was compelling, although I think it started going off the rails at the very end.

In DS9 you saw the Federation take more of a military role than previously. I think this continued further in some of the books even after the Dominion arc due to the ever encroaching and a more confrontational Borg.


29 posted on 10/27/2020 3:04:36 PM PDT by Mr Fuji
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To: redgolum
It is because failed writers would rather steal someone’s else’s IP than create their own.

No. These properties are owned by corporations. Writers are hired by those corporations to do what they're told. It's almost impossible to sell a new spec project and has been for the last decade, at least. These decisions are made by bean counters who figure that they can make a return on investment with less risk on a mediocre franchise film that will have a built-in audience they can calculate, rather than spending that same investment on a new idea that nobody knows.

30 posted on 10/27/2020 3:07:59 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("The rat always knows when he's in with weasels."--Tom Waits)
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To: Mr Fuji

DS9 is way more watchable than TNG.

When it comes to space stations, B5 is where I would rather be.


31 posted on 10/27/2020 3:09:24 PM PDT by wally_bert (I cannot be sure for certain, but in my personal opinion I am certain that I am not sure.)
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To: tbw2

“Terminator did the same thing in Terminator: Dark Fate by executing John Connor in the opening moments of the film.”

The “Dark Fate” Terminator thing didn’t stink because the premise used a different time line than the first movies. That’s right there in the title, ‘dark fate’, and it’s Terminator so the whole point is time traveling and possible resulting paradoxes. It stank because it just wasn’t that good.

Freegards


32 posted on 10/27/2020 3:09:39 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: Boogieman

Nope...there was no story treatment from the very beginning. Abrams was never fired. He was a terrible choice from the beginning...but that’s another topic entirely. Johnson was an even worse choice.


33 posted on 10/27/2020 3:10:35 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Dr. Sivana

Well, to be fair there wasn’t exactly a huge inherited fanbase for him to alienate when his version of sandman came out in the late 80s. Star Wars and Trek pretty much kept up their gigantic fanbases who wanted good movies and series.

Freegards


34 posted on 10/27/2020 3:10:37 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: tbw2

Faggotry will do that. Every time.


35 posted on 10/27/2020 3:10:51 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: Fedora

Which is why I shared it.


36 posted on 10/27/2020 3:12:52 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: colorado tanker

Or bringing in Luke’s force-sensitive girlfriend and the Youang Zhong (anti-Force aliens).


37 posted on 10/27/2020 3:14:13 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: Ransomed
Well, to be fair there wasn’t exactly a huge inherited fanbase for him to alienate when his version of sandman came out in the late 80s.

And DC has a bad track record of reusing names for utterly different characters. Besides Sandman, Red Tornado comes to mind. It is almost like they didn't want to have to pay for an extra trademark fee or something. Jack Kirby did a reimagining of "The Sandman" in the early '70s, and he got a pass because he was Jack Kirby (many consider him the GOAT of comics artists. I'm more of a clean line Curt Swan/Kurt Schaffenberger man myself).
38 posted on 10/27/2020 3:14:48 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: Prolixus

“Exactly! I’ve watched Star Trek TOS episodes over and over again but I can’t sit through a single episode of TNG and its successors.”

They actually drop the f-bomb in Discovery.


39 posted on 10/27/2020 3:18:41 PM PDT by PLMerite ("They say that we were Cold Warriors. Yes, and a bloody good show, too." - Robert Conquest)
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To: metmom

“I’m keeping all my old books and CDs and DVDs.”

We are slowly becoming Fahrenheit 451.


40 posted on 10/27/2020 3:24:28 PM PDT by PLMerite ("They say that we were Cold Warriors. Yes, and a bloody good show, too." - Robert Conquest)
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