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Horowitz: Cases surging in Hawaii - with the strictest mask mandate
Conservative Review ^ | 8/12/2020 | Daniel Horowitz

Posted on 08/17/2020 11:46:00 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods

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To: dfwgator
We illegally overthrew their monarchy.

It worked out well for them - they would have been enslaved and most killed by the Japanese in the 1930s otherwise.

61 posted on 08/17/2020 1:39:13 PM PDT by eldoradude (Bad robot)
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To: EEGator

My brother lives on Maui, he runs a property management company with a couple hundred condos and other buildings. They are empty, this is the worse year for him ever, he run/cleans/maintains the rentals and does the bookings, nothing since March. The mainland owners are not paying fees and such as well, it’s a mess. He was doing really well up until then.

I told him he should start thinking about becoming a warlord and turn the condos into his castle complex. Start raiding nearby villages and build an army of loyal followers.


62 posted on 08/17/2020 1:39:20 PM PDT by CJ Wolf ( #wwg1wga #Godwins #150Kclub)
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To: CJ Wolf

He should cook Ice in them.
Lots of potential business on Maui.


63 posted on 08/17/2020 1:48:09 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: eldoradude

We still could have had the bases there.


64 posted on 08/17/2020 1:52:01 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: eldoradude

We should have treated Hawaii like the Phillipines, we gave them independence after the War.


65 posted on 08/17/2020 1:52:29 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: glennaro
I would suggest that the mask wearing and social distancing are not nearly so "universal" as one might think. In my area (quite red area), I see many people without masks. Of course, I'm not bugging anyone about it - that's their choice - but the fewer people who are wearing masks and practicing social distancing, the less we can blame the rise in cases on the failure of masks and social distancing.

Case in point, if kids are going to pack the hallways with no masks, we can hardly blame the masks themselves for cases rising:

If people start refusing to wear seat belts and there's a rise in car crash deaths, we can't really claim seat belts are a failure.

66 posted on 08/17/2020 1:54:49 PM PDT by 2aProtectsTheRest
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To: SaxxonWoods

The dumbasses in Hawaii now have next to zero herd immunity... poor souls. Poor planning usually has poor outcomes.


67 posted on 08/17/2020 2:01:02 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: dfwgator
We should have treated Hawaii like the Phillipines, we gave them independence after the War

Too bad we didn't take more seriously Filipino efforts to become a state, instead of our encouraging their independence.

68 posted on 08/17/2020 2:06:41 PM PDT by eldoradude (Bad robot)
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest

Well done, but my point stands: While we can change the shape of the infection curve with marginally effective PPE (we have certainly lengthened it; “flattened it” if you prefer), we’ve done really nothing to change the area under the curve. That is, the virus continues to run its, albeit modified, course.


69 posted on 08/17/2020 2:07:21 PM PDT by glennaro (Prager: Being on the Left makes people cowards)
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To: eldoradude

Why, do you want a State with that would have made up a quarter of the entire US population? (106 million)


70 posted on 08/17/2020 2:11:14 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: dfwgator
What's wrong with that? Should have kept Mexico too, and Sicily wanted to become a state after WWII as well. Canadians wanted to become Americans well into the 1950s...

Central America - banana republics - could have been American.

Would have been a different world for sure.

71 posted on 08/17/2020 2:16:23 PM PDT by eldoradude (Bad robot)
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To: glennaro

Agreed the virus continues its work a bit slower, but in this case what we’ve done is bought time while work is finished on a vaccine. President Trump says we’ll have a safe and effective vaccine very soon. Two of the three vaccine makers currently in phase 3 clinical trials have stated they expect to have a working vaccine this year. Oxford executives went before Congress and stated they expected to have “emergency doses” available in September or October.

We’re at about 170,000 deaths right now with ~8% of the country having had this thing. We don’t want another 20 or 30% or more to have it if we can avoid it with a vaccine. Doesn’t mean shut anything down, but basic precautions like hand washing, social distancing, and good masks worn correctly and when appropriate slow the spread while the vaccine is deployed. And the sooner we get a well tested, safe, and effective vaccine widely deployed, the sooner the masks, social distancing, and all the rest of it can end.


72 posted on 08/17/2020 2:22:16 PM PDT by 2aProtectsTheRest
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To: eldoradude
Would have been a different world for sure.

And not in a good way.

73 posted on 08/17/2020 2:22:48 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: dfwgator

How so and why not?


74 posted on 08/17/2020 2:24:56 PM PDT by eldoradude (Bad robot)
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To: eldoradude

Because those places aren’t “America”.


75 posted on 08/17/2020 2:25:26 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: who knows what evil?

It’s really pitiful when a female governor (Noem) has bigger balls than our male governor. Truly pitiful.


76 posted on 08/17/2020 2:28:22 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam (If 100% of us contracted this Covid Virus only 99.997% would be left to tell our story.)
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest

Neither masks nor mandates work. There was never any illusion the area under the curve would change. The stated goal was to flatten the curve.


77 posted on 08/17/2020 2:29:35 PM PDT by Mom MD
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To: who knows what evil?

and other illnesses as well


78 posted on 08/17/2020 2:30:35 PM PDT by Mom MD
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To: olivia3boys

I”m thinking maybe native Hawaiians, like Latinos, live in somewhat crowded housing? (More than 6 people per household?)


Could be. High cost of housing in Hawaii could lead to that. I don’t know if they have a tradition of multi generational habitation, too.


79 posted on 08/17/2020 2:32:53 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest

You are just like the socialists. Socialism doesn’t work because no one has done it right. Just give us a chance and we will do it right....

Maskers want it both ways. If the rate drops naturally, it has to be the masks that we’re doing it. If it rises, the masks still work people just aren’t wearing them enough. Heads you lose tails I win. Fortunately people are buying this steaming pant load less every day


80 posted on 08/17/2020 2:34:35 PM PDT by Mom MD
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