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Horowitz: Cases surging in Hawaii - with the strictest mask mandate
Conservative Review ^ | 8/12/2020 | Daniel Horowitz

Posted on 08/17/2020 11:46:00 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods

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To: SaxxonWoods

Perhaps masks are SPREADING the virus...


21 posted on 08/17/2020 11:59:18 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...siameserescue.org)
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To: Mears

I often go to Kona on the big island.
People live in the woods.
People cook meth in the woods.
Then you have your tourist area homeless.
Honolulu has it worst though.


22 posted on 08/17/2020 11:59:58 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: who knows what evil?

Shush. Masks gonna save us all don’t you know


23 posted on 08/17/2020 12:02:06 PM PDT by JerryBlackwell (some animals are more equal than others)
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest

Sounds like you didn’t read the article, which is fine.


24 posted on 08/17/2020 12:04:50 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (Prediction: G. Maxwell will surprise everyone by not dying anytime soon.)
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To: EEGator
Hawai’i also has the second highest unemployment rate, and a serious drug problem. No jobs, lots of “ice”, and a whole lot of down time. What could go wrong?...

How will Hawaii survive? Their agricultural industry is almost gone--pineapples are no longer grown in the Pineapple State, and there is no longer any "pure cane sugar from Hawaii." The state is almost entirely dependent on tourism, and thanks to the China virus restrictions, no one in his right mind will be heading to Hawaii.

25 posted on 08/17/2020 12:05:04 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: An Appeal to Heaven

The virus isn’t airborne, the much larger droplets it travels on are airborne.


26 posted on 08/17/2020 12:05:52 PM PDT by coaster123 (Distrust every person under sixty, every institution over eight.)
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To: dfwgator

“Never should have been a state.”

Correct. Not that they are “bad”, they have never lived the American experience and are island culture people. It’s a completely different worldview.


27 posted on 08/17/2020 12:07:05 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (Prediction: G. Maxwell will surprise everyone by not dying anytime soon.)
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To: SaxxonWoods

We illegally overthrew their monarchy.


28 posted on 08/17/2020 12:07:58 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
The only positive things mask-wearing and anti-social distancing provide are:

1- Masks help reduce the level of anxiety (in many places, the sheer terror) initiated and maintained over the past five months to the present by the panic-porn industry (the media) over a virus healthy people have a 98.8 percent chance of surviving; and,

2-Although completely ineffective in controlling transmission of an incredibly "teeny-tiny" virus particle, by providing a purely emotionally-based feeling of safety, the scared-nearly-out-of-their-mind mask wearers develop the courage to leave their homes, go outside and be around other human beings thus, albeit unwittingly, participate in the socially-responsible action of spreading the virus which contributes to the development of widespread immunity.

29 posted on 08/17/2020 12:07:58 PM PDT by glennaro (Prager: Being on the Left makes people cowards)
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To: SaxxonWoods

Just got back from a local shopping trip. Purchased some items at an ‘Amish/Mennonite’ store here in East Tennessee...what a breath of fresh air...literally. NO employee was wearing a mask, and there was absolutely NO signage referencing masks or social distancing. NOTHING. This was in a county with a so-called ‘mask mandate’. Funny thing was; there was a county sheriff eating lunch in his patrol vehicle in the parking lot when we pulled in. I was inspired to shop there today by several Karens/Chads posting on Facebook in hysterics about the maskless employees...’this will be the next COVID hotspot in East Tennessee. Ye gads.


30 posted on 08/17/2020 12:08:22 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...siameserescue.org)
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To: who knows what evil?

We went to a local restaurant in east TN after church yesterday. Their wait staff were not wearing masks. Hooray!!!


31 posted on 08/17/2020 12:11:08 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam (If 100% of us contracted this Covid Virus only 99.997% would be left to tell our story.)
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To: Fiji Hill

This is 5 years old but should still apply (NewsMax):

“Tourism may come to mind when many people think of industries in Hawaii, and while it is the strongest industry in Hawaii, the state’s economy is rather diverse.

Statewide, 641,400 people are employed in Hawaii, according to the Department of Business, Economic Development, and Tourism.

Here are the top five industries in the Aloha State.

VOTE NOW: Is Hawaii Sen. Mazie Hirono Doing a Good Job?

1. Tourism is the top industry in the state of Hawaii. Centrally located between the U.S. and Japan, Hawaii entertains tourists from around the world. People visit the state to enjoy the vast beaches and pleasant climate. The island of Oahu, also home to Waikiki Beach, is considered the main tourist area.

In 2014, the Hawaiian islands had a record year for tourism. More than 8.2 million people visited the area in 2014, according to the Hawaii Tourism Authority.

2. Defense is a large part of Hawaii’s economy. Several Army, Navy, Marine, Coast Guard, and Air Force bases are located in the state. With so many military personnel stationed in the state, the government also has its own military newspapers, golf courses, and accommodations for its employees.

Almost 4 percent of Hawaii’s population is military personnel (47,410), not including those who work in the civilian sector, reports To-Hawaii.com based on 2010 U.S. census data.

3. With such a tropical climate, Hawaii is a producer of many agricultural products.

That state is second in the nation for sugar cane production and the first in the nation for pineapple production. Specialty crops — such as flowers, coffee, and macadamia nuts — are a large part of the state’s exports.

VOTE NOW: Should the Government Be Doing More to Promote Tourism in America?

Agriculture accounts for generating $2.9 billion to Hawaii’s annual economy, and accounts for 42,000 jobs, reports the state’s Department of Agriculture.

4. Manufacturing is another strong industry in Hawaii and is primarily concentrated on Oahu Island. Products being produced include apparel and cotton-based products that are exported off the island.

Food items are also processed, such as refined sugar and pineapple. Specialty items such as juices, jams, and candies are other exports that are a significant part of the Hawaiian economy, according to Altius Directory.

5. The service industry thrives in Hawaii, including hotels, private healthcare, finance, and real estate.

Community and personal services are the top ranked in Hawaii’s service industry, followed by government services and finance.

Approximately 90 percent of the state’s gross product is derived front the service industry, reports NetState.com.”


32 posted on 08/17/2020 12:13:38 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (Prediction: G. Maxwell will surprise everyone by not dying anytime soon.)
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To: SaxxonWoods

Not every word, but I read enough of it. I think the conclusions are faulty. The use of Google data is only a partial measure of mobility at best (plenty of people are turning off their location tracking for fear of being “caught”), but even by that measure they’re at 70% of normal activity. Meanwhile, the “surge” of cases follows the exact same spread pattern as any R0-positive disease.

And nothing in the article has any real data on mask compliance, which is the heart of the issue here. Again, this is a measure of how well the various edicts and mandates issued by the state work; NOT how effective masks - specifically - are.


33 posted on 08/17/2020 12:13:58 PM PDT by 2aProtectsTheRest
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To: who knows what evil?

Interesting, thanks.


34 posted on 08/17/2020 12:15:04 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (Prediction: G. Maxwell will surprise everyone by not dying anytime soon.)
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To: coaster123

“The virus isn’t airborne, the much larger droplets it travels on are airborne.”

So, it’s water-borne.


35 posted on 08/17/2020 12:17:25 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (Prediction: G. Maxwell will surprise everyone by not dying anytime soon.)
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest

Thanks. I can’t speak for or against your argument but I see how you got there.


36 posted on 08/17/2020 12:19:29 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (Prediction: G. Maxwell will surprise everyone by not dying anytime soon.)
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To: glennaro
"completely ineffective in controlling transmission of an incredibly "teeny-tiny" virus particle"

Viruses can't travel through the air on their own. Dry air denatures the proteins and effectively kills them. The only way they can travel is within a protective medium, such as blood, sweat, feces, etc. In the case of SARS-CoV-2, that medium is primarily respiratory droplets, which are >5-10 μm in diameter.

If you can reduce the volume of droplets dispersed by an infected individual and limit the range of the remainder, those around that infected person will see a significantly reduced risk of contracting the disease. Some masks (e.g. N95/KN95, surgical masks, or other multi-layer woven fibers covering the nose and mouth) can effectively perform this job. Some (e.g. neck gaiters, bandanas, and other single layer masks) perform quite poorly and possibly even create additional problems by breaking up larger droplets that fall to the ground immediately into smaller ones that can linger for longer.

See also Fig 6-9 in this study, which measured respiratory droplet dispersion directly. There's real data on this. Indoors, in a public place, they can be quite useful in reducing the risk of viral transmission. Outside makes no difference unless you're packed in shoulder to shoulder (and even then it may not be that big a deal since it just doesn't seem to spread well outside).

37 posted on 08/17/2020 12:25:43 PM PDT by 2aProtectsTheRest
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To: MayflowerMadam
Lee should just come out and say "Masks suck; they are ineffective and people want their liberty back. Effective immediately; Tennessee is open for business. Let the chips fall where they may."

Grow a pair, Bill.

38 posted on 08/17/2020 12:26:55 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...siameserescue.org)
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To: Fiji Hill

I have no clue what their plan is.
Governor Ige is an a-hole.


39 posted on 08/17/2020 12:30:51 PM PDT by EEGator
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40 posted on 08/17/2020 12:31:03 PM PDT by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me https://youtu.be/wH-pk2vZG2M)
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