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Why did the North want to end slavery?

Posted on 08/12/2020 2:31:56 PM PDT by Jonty30

I think we can agree that it had nothing to do with caring about the slaves.

I was thinking that 4 million sudden extra bodies in the poor southern economy would have the same effect as high immigration, keeping the wages of the poorest workers suppressed and it would keep the South from developing economically, while the North would benefit from their ownership of Southern industries.

Does that sound about right or am I wrong on this?


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To: Steve Van Doorn

That would have been the 13th Amendment, not the 14th.

“The Amendment would not have allowed slavery in the United States.”

The Constitution already allowed slavery in the United States. What the Corwin Amendment would have done is to prevent the Federal Government from initiating any action (such as a Constitutional Amendment) to interfere with any domestic institution (slavery).


181 posted on 08/12/2020 7:08:14 PM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: mrsmith

“...the Republicans have consistantly supported equal treatment for the Negro since the Party’s founding...”

The above statement is completely untrue. During “Reconstruction” the radical Republicans politically controlled the Negros just as the Dems do today. The power behind the Negro legislators did not really care about their advancement but used them as a block of power. The political control of usually illiterate or semi-literate Negros prompted former CSA General Jubal Early to state, “What a gentle institution slavery must have been to have so well prepared the Negro for the ballot box”.

The 1964 landslide victory of Republican Barry Goldwater in the deep South points up how the descendants of the Confederates were solidly Republican while the rest of the country supported LBJ’s “Great Society” socialist programs. Goldwater won Alabama by huge margins that swept in a whole slate of Republican congressmen.


182 posted on 08/12/2020 7:12:22 PM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a Russian AK-47 and a French bikini.)
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To: ml/nj

Correct. And their children, their grand children and their great grand Children would be born slaves. With no future and no hope, other than serving the master. Perpetual chattel property, just like horses, dogs and sheep. It it was a benevolent life, why didn’t whites volunteer to be slaves.


183 posted on 08/12/2020 7:13:43 PM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: mrsmith

You’re right. Who started it really isn’t all that important, but I was replying to a poster who placed the blame entirely on the North. The historical fact is that the first shots were fired by the South, not the North. It might have turned out to have been the other way around had Sumter not been the start of it, but that’s not the actual history, only speculation. The actual history tells us that the South was the initial aggressor.


184 posted on 08/12/2020 7:19:41 PM PDT by stremba
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To: Monterrosa-24

I don’t dispute your characterization.
After all it doesn’t dispute my point!

Yeah, politics is hardly altruistic. I don’t think any fools are claiming it is.

Interesting info on the Rs in Alabama that year though. Think that was mostly a result of election manipulation.


185 posted on 08/12/2020 7:22:25 PM PDT by mrsmith (`(US MEDIA: " Every 'White' cop is a criminal! And all the 'non-white' criminals saints!")
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To: rockrr
said, "He wasn’t even in office yet"

True doesn't change anything

186 posted on 08/12/2020 7:22:36 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: dirtymac

“England would sink any slave ship it found on the high seas’

Not the case. A ship of the Royal Navy would capture a slave ship. Put the crew in irons, put a prize crew on board and sail the ship to a port in West Africa to off load the slaves. Then the ship would be sold and the officers and crew on the warship, that captured the slaver, would divide up the sale money.

Sinking a slave ship would mean no extra money in the pockets of the officers and crew of the English ship.


187 posted on 08/12/2020 7:24:17 PM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: Bull Snipe
"That would have been the 13th Amendment, not the 14th"

I think you're right.

said, "What the Corwin Amendment would have done is to prevent the Federal Government from initiating any action (such as a Constitutional Amendment) to interfere with any domestic institution (slavery)"

True

188 posted on 08/12/2020 7:25:19 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: mrsmith
I even think the Erie Canal ‘decided’ the Civil War.

It wasn't just the canal, although that was a vital link in the chain. There were tons of roads and railroads built pre-Civil War that resulted in tying the regions together for their mutual interests.

Best book I've read for giving me an understanding of how economic interests played a role in ALL of the country's history was Westward Expansion by Ray Allen Billington.

189 posted on 08/12/2020 7:25:42 PM PDT by Wissa ("Republics decline into democracies and democracies degenerate into despotisms." -- Aristotle)
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To: stremba

You accept the fact that ‘who started it’ is a childish point... but you’ll go with it anyway?
OKAY...

Funny. I’ve a couple who are my friends who are having problems and they refuse to be reasonable, or even sensible.
Fits in perfectly with a discussion of the Civil War LOL!

So sad what fools we are. So hard to learn from our mistakes (not a Civil War specific statement!)


190 posted on 08/12/2020 7:30:00 PM PDT by mrsmith (`(US MEDIA: " Every 'White' cop is a criminal! And all the 'non-white' criminals saints!")
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To: Svartalfiar

“But it mostly started with Lincoln (a Repub) calling up volunteers to go fight the South.”

After a Federal Fort, manned by soldiers of the Unites States Army was fired on by Confederate forces ordered to do so by Jefferson Davis ( a Dem).


191 posted on 08/12/2020 7:32:34 PM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: Wissa

” Best book I’ve read for giving me an understanding of how economic interests played a role in ALL of the country’s history was Westward Expansion by Ray Allen Billington. “
\
Thanks! Am looking for an historically helpful book to read.,

I suggest “The Business of May Next” by Miller to anyone seeking similar.


192 posted on 08/12/2020 7:34:10 PM PDT by mrsmith (`(US MEDIA: " Every 'White' cop is a criminal! And all the 'non-white' criminals saints!")
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To: Uncle Sham

EVERYBODY lost.

Maybe every one, except the 4 million slaves in the country that were no longer slaves. Bet they thought that they had something to celebrate.


193 posted on 08/12/2020 7:40:42 PM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: Wissa

Excellent reply.
Thank you.


194 posted on 08/12/2020 7:43:28 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (Get out of the matrix and get a real life.)
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To: crz

Yes, President Lincoln was our second best President.

Only after Washington !


195 posted on 08/12/2020 7:52:54 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad ("the media are selling you a line of soap)
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To: Steve Van Doorn

Cop: “I clocked you at 75 in a 60!”

Me: “But this car doesn’t even have an engine in it!”

Cop: “True doesn’t change anything”

LoL


196 posted on 08/12/2020 8:16:02 PM PDT by rockrr ( Everything is different now...)
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To: stremba
"The actual history tells us that the South was the initial aggressor."

Please tell me which military forts the South claimed ownership of that were located in the north after they left the union. That the north claimed any sort of ownership of military forts in southern states that seceded was the initial aggressive act. All the south did was leave the union. That's not being aggressive and they had no plans to attack any union state as they knew a war with the north would be a losing proposition. The north knew this an thus provoked a war.

197 posted on 08/12/2020 8:21:46 PM PDT by Uncle Sham
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To: AlmaKing

When the Southern States went to war, each issued formal documents of secession wherein they set forth their individual reasons.
These documents are seldom mentioned, read or studied.
If you want to know why the South went to war, read them.
The South tells you why and it’s not pretty.


198 posted on 08/12/2020 8:33:03 PM PDT by ARB
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To: crz

“The democrat party always has, and always will be, a den of traitors and thieves, liars and perverts.”

You mean like Andrew Jackson? James K Polk? Or Lincoln’s VP Andrew Johnson? Harry Truman? John Kennedy? How about Jefferson, Madison and Monroe?

You could fire up Google tell us what Party operated the Credit Mobilier scheme in 1867. Or the Teapot Dome Scandal in 1921. Watergate is kind of famous as well.

You could look up the Tucson Republican Women’s Club and Margaret Sanger and tell us what you find. Not a suprise if you know of the GOP’s involvement with radical and progressive politics that included the likes of Teddy Roosevelt.

The game of reducing American political history to the Evil Democrats and God’s Republican Party is a game for fools. Dinesh D’Souza and Glenn Beck are among the hucksters making money by encouraging people to be fools.


199 posted on 08/12/2020 8:36:15 PM PDT by Pelham ( Mary McCord, Sally Yates and Michael Atkinson all belong in prison.)
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To: Pelham

You need to find another pretense to hang your hat onto.

You are in the wrong place.

The only fool about these parts is the one you see when you glare into the mirror.

If for one thing, the good that comes out of this presidents term is that he has drawn out swine like yourself into the open.


200 posted on 08/12/2020 8:44:44 PM PDT by crz
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