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Facts & Myths about Arbery Case
Vanity | May 10, 2020 | Bort

Posted on 05/10/2020 6:06:59 PM PDT by bort

I am a veteran criminal law attorney who has tried more than 300 criminal jury trials, handled thousands of other criminal cases, racially-divisive cases, etc. We have dozens of "citizen lawyers" on Free Republic who are posting insane, inane, wrong, and crazy "facts," "law," and conclusions. I have studied this case inside and out. Let me give you some insight, and feel free to post some questions....


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To: DJ MacWoW

That’s one more reason why McMichael should have stayed the hell away from Arbery.


21 posted on 05/10/2020 6:30:14 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("And somewhere in the darkness ... the gambler, he broke even.")
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To: Alberta's Child
I’m Arbery, and two dudes in a pickup truck chase me down a street. How the hell am I supposed to know they’re “arresting” me instead of abducting and robbing me?

Mr. Arbery, if you were innocent and scared of possibly being abducted, robbed or killed, why would you run upwards of 60 feet, right at the neighbor holding a gun, and then physically attack and attempt to physically disarm the neighbor?

22 posted on 05/10/2020 6:31:25 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Vermont Lt
So, please tell me. How long have you lived in Georgia?

I have been a resident of Georgia fifty eight of my sixty seven years.   Please, now pound sand.   You have no dog in this hunt.

23 posted on 05/10/2020 6:31:40 PM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken)
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To: dragnet2

“I was afraid he’d shoot me in the back.”


24 posted on 05/10/2020 6:32:45 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("And somewhere in the darkness ... the gambler, he broke even.")
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To: DJ MacWoW
'Greg McMichael knew Arbery. McMichael was the investigator when Arbery was arrested for shoplifting. McMichael knew Arbery had a prior weapon charge. '

Not logical. McMichael stated in the police report that he recognized the guy from the other night, potentially being armed. Yet, McMichael still didn't call the cops or reported it. If he knew he was a prior felon with a weapons charge, why didn't he call the cops?

25 posted on 05/10/2020 6:33:32 PM PDT by Theoria (I should never have surrendered. I should have fought until I was the last man alive)
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To: Alberta's Child
That’s one more reason why McMichael should have stayed the hell away from Arbery.

I disagree. Arbery got off on the shoplifting charge. After 30 years as an LE, McMichael wasn't about to let him get off again. They had the police on the phone as did the neighbor that filmed Arbery sprinting from the construction site.

26 posted on 05/10/2020 6:34:09 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: bort

> I have dealt with hundreds of black male clients and have coached hundreds of black male athletes—black guys do NOT jog, unless they work for Fortune 500 companies.

What about the Marathon runners from Africa?


27 posted on 05/10/2020 6:35:52 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Joe Biden- "First thing I'd do is repeal those Trump tax cuts." (May 4th, 2019))
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To: bort

Thank you for your efforts to give us your perspective on this case.

I have stayed away from the threads on it because I could see it becoming very divisive.
Some have already convicted them in their minds.


28 posted on 05/10/2020 6:35:53 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizens Are Born Here of Citizen Parents_Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Alberta's Child

“I ran 60 feet right at the guy with the gun, physically attacked him, and physically tried to disarm him because I was scared he was going to kidnap, rob or shoot me in the back”.

Ya think anyone on jury would buy that?


29 posted on 05/10/2020 6:36:57 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: bort

well, i’m curious because i know how the left will try to use this case. and i’ve seen some wild/emotional comments flying around. i come with an open mind, but am a science guy, not a criminal justice type. i was able to read your conclusion. maybe someone can reformat. like your level of experience.


30 posted on 05/10/2020 6:37:01 PM PDT by dadfly
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To: Theoria
McMichael DID call the police as did the neighbor that saw Arbery run from the construction site.

Yes. It is logical. Read the link that I posted. The information was also in the Georgia news.

31 posted on 05/10/2020 6:37:21 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: DJ MacWoW

If Arbery got off on the shoplifting charge then a former police officer involved in his case should never be considered an objective party when it comes to a subsequent allegation of a similar crime.


32 posted on 05/10/2020 6:38:40 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("And somewhere in the darkness ... the gambler, he broke even.")
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To: Undecided 2012
It is sounding more and more like Northern Blue Staters having no knowledge of our laws, versus Southerners who actually live here and know the difference between right and wrong written into our statutes.
33 posted on 05/10/2020 6:39:02 PM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken)
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To: bort

:) Been there done that,thanks for your insites.


34 posted on 05/10/2020 6:39:24 PM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: bort

Thank you for posting. My test for a story like this is: Would this be news if the races were reversed? Sadly, the answer is almost always No!


35 posted on 05/10/2020 6:40:09 PM PDT by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911/June 14, 1946)
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To: dragnet2

Go back to my original question: If Arbery had been armed and shot one or both of these dudes, would it be a case of justifiable self defense?


36 posted on 05/10/2020 6:40:19 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("And somewhere in the darkness ... the gambler, he broke even.")
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To: Alberta's Child; bert
If Arbery got off on the shoplifting charge then a former police officer involved in his case should never be considered an objective party when it comes to a subsequent allegation of a similar crime.

That's ridiculous. Then any cop that saw a prior arrest committing a crime would have to simply watch.

37 posted on 05/10/2020 6:40:59 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: bort

> If one more person posts “the wannabe cops shouldn’t have went after Abery” I’m going to puke. <

Sorry, but when you post stuff like that, it’s hard to take you seriously. It’s condescending, and inappropriate. Where posters are wrong, correct them. But don’t be condescending.

I know next to nothing about the law. But I know quite a bit about Relativity, and Quantum Physics. I’ve taught college courses on those subjects. And sometimes Freepers post things about those subjects that are just plain wrong. I then post corrections. But I never felt like puking.

Sorry if I come off as harsh here. What I’m trying to say is this. Cut the amateurs some slack.


38 posted on 05/10/2020 6:41:30 PM PDT by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: bort

>>Let me tell you the reality—the first outside DA cleared these guys, a fact that will be ADMISSIBLE in court. Trust me, if the defense attorneys have any brains, they will say: “Gosh, the local DA said they are innocent, but the slick suits from Atlanta, who came down here to stop a riot, in a matter of an hour determined they were guilty.”

The media and authorities seem ok with it that a lynch mob is calling for the arrest on murder charges of all 3 men “in” the video. I still have not been told what crime the videographer committed. I have seen articles reporting that he is receiving anonymous death threats. So those claiming that some lynch mob seeking “vigilante justice” are now a lynch mob seeking vigilante justice themselves.


39 posted on 05/10/2020 6:41:46 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Joe Biden- "First thing I'd do is repeal those Trump tax cuts." (May 4th, 2019))
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To: bort

>> However, I could see how a good-faith prosecutor could—with a straight face—charge him with murder. It’s weak, but not a crazy charge.

Murder or manslaughter?


40 posted on 05/10/2020 6:42:43 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Joe Biden- "First thing I'd do is repeal those Trump tax cuts." (May 4th, 2019))
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